The Barbarian Posted May 22, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,082 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 22, 2023 42 minutes ago, Sparks said: Naturally, you were there with your ash measuring kit. Fortunately, one can determine heights of ash deposits by a variety of methods would you like to learn how we do that? Notice my estimate of the gulley's height turned out to be very close to your claim. About 164 feet to your 150 feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted May 22, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,082 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 22, 2023 11 hours ago, Sparks said: Concentrate. Spirit Lake. It's happening right now. The 'strata' is already affected by trees. The trees are fallen and horizontal there. You won't see polystrate trees that way. They have to be upright so that the layers form around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted May 22, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 22, 2023 2 hours ago, The Barbarian said: The trees are fallen and horizontal there. You won't see polystrate trees that way. They have to be upright so that the layers form around them. No, they tip when they become water logged. The picture of Spirit Lake below shows this: This illustration shows that they are buried in the 'strata' upright, and prone. Soon, some person will stroll by that does not understand that these came from a volcano in the 1980s and claim they have been this way for trillions of years. They will exactly match the polystrate fossils that you see from the great flood of Noah's day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted May 22, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 22, 2023 2 hours ago, The Barbarian said: Fortunately, one can determine heights of ash deposits by a variety of methods would you like to learn how we do that? Notice my estimate of the gulley's height turned out to be very close to your claim. About 164 feet to your 150 feet. Nope. Loowit canyon was carved by mudslides, and carved through hard volcanic rock within months, not trillions of years. Imagine what a world-wide flood could do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted May 22, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,082 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 22, 2023 (edited) Fortunately, one can determine heights of ash deposits by a variety of methods would you like to learn how we do that? Notice my estimate of the gulley's height turned out to be very close to your claim. About 164 feet to your 150 feet. 1 hour ago, Sparks said: Nope. Sorry, that's the converson. Fifty meters is just a tiny bit more than 164 feet. Learn about it here: https://www.rapidtables.com/convert/length/meter-to-feet.html?x=50# 1 hour ago, Sparks said: Loowit canyon was carved by mudslides, Grand Canyon was eroded out of hard rock over millions of years. 1 hour ago, Sparks said: and carved through hard volcanic rock within months Mud is not hard volcanic rock. Sorry. And you were badly misled here. It's "Loowit creek" which was cut out of soft ash over 40 years. It falls over an existing cliff at Sasquatch Steps, where it now is slowly eroding harder rock: Loowit Falls, which drain Mount Saint Helens' youthful Crater Glacier and are themselves only about 40 years old, cut back into a canyon in the Sasquatch Steps at the rate of about 20 feet per decade. The falls were measured at 186 feet in 2011, but the dynamic landscape means this statistic is always changing. https://www.oregonhikers.org/field_guide/Loowit_Falls It's been nearly thirty years since I've been there last. Good memories of that hike,which I'm probably too old to climb now. Suffice to say 20 feet per decade is a lot difference than 150 feet in a few months. Edited May 22, 2023 by The Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted May 22, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,082 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 22, 2023 Approaching Mt. St. Helens from the west: From Johnson's ridge: Pretty amazing, um? These were taken on 120 film with a Voigtlander Perkeo. How retro is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted May 22, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 22, 2023 43 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: Fortunately, one can determine heights of ash deposits by a variety of methods would you like to learn how we do that? Notice my estimate of the gulley's height turned out to be very close to your claim. About 164 feet to your 150 feet. Sorry, that's the converson. Fifty meters is just a tiny bit more than 164 feet. Learn about it here: https://www.rapidtables.com/convert/length/meter-to-feet.html?x=50# Grand Canyon was eroded out of hard rock over millions of years. Mud is not hard volcanic rock. Sorry. And you were badly misled here. It's "Loowit creek" which was cut out of soft ash over 40 years. It falls over an existing cliff at Sasquatch Steps, where it now is slowly eroding harder rock: Loowit Falls, which drain Mount Saint Helens' youthful Crater Glacier and are themselves only about 40 years old, cut back into a canyon in the Sasquatch Steps at the rate of about 20 feet per decade. The falls were measured at 186 feet in 2011, but the dynamic landscape means this statistic is always changing. https://www.oregonhikers.org/field_guide/Loowit_Falls It's been nearly thirty years since I've been there last. Good memories of that hike,which I'm probably too old to climb now. Suffice to say 20 feet per decade is a lot difference than 150 feet in a few months. It was cut with in a mud slide dragging stones, sawing through hard lava, and making Loowit canyon over months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted May 22, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 22, 2023 25 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: Approaching Mt. St. Helens from the west: From Johnson's ridge: Pretty amazing, um? These were taken on 120 film with a Voigtlander Perkeo. How retro is that? Nice photos. Not sure of your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted May 22, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,082 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 22, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Sparks said: It was cut with in a mud slide dragging stones, sawing through hard lava, and making Loowit canyon over months. It's just a creek in a gully formed about 40 years ago. Cuts through soft ash until Sasquatch Steps And as you learned, it's cutting into hard rock at the falls at about 20 feet per decade. (young rivers typically erode things faster, which is why they tend to be straighter than old rivers) Take a look here: https://earth.google.com/web/search/loowit+falls/@46.21895055,-122.19010054,1570.88892347a,4767.81056311d,35y,-61.23292376h,45.0077809t,359.99999987r/data=CnYaTBJGCiQweDU0OTY5OTA4YjU2ZmEzOWQ6MHhjOTQxNGE5NGNiYzBhZWYZcxXmmIccR0AhZuyVw7iLXsAqDGxvb3dpdCBmYWxscxgBIAEiJgokCdu7rRPVJkdAEeQZ1zKJGUdAGR1Pd0xyhV7AIaIhV1gPjl7A Edited May 22, 2023 by The Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted May 22, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,082 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 974 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Sparks said: Nice photos. Not sure of your point. Just remembering. Happy time there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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