warrior12 Posted June 16, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 54 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,428 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 1,516 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/05/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted June 16, 2023 I do apologize for speaking a bit harsh to the poster, which as George pointed out, needs to stop. I should communicate with just the facts as I know or interpret them and in the way that does not offend anyone. So, I will exit this thread and to the poster please accept my apologies, if in anyway you were offended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted June 16, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 16, 2023 2 hours ago, warrior12 said: Who actually are the people who celebrate their deaths. Are they Christians, pagans, believers or unbelievers. Who actually are they ?. What were the prophets prophesying about . You don't know, or do you. When were they killed, or let me see, When they had FINISHED their testimony. You now answer with vague unsubstantiated remarks that has no substance. Again, show me someone who agrees with your interpretation of chapter 11. No, you can't or prove it . revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony I haven't seen anyone agree with me. Most people believe they are righteous to kill and torment others in Jesus name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted June 16, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 16, 2023 1 hour ago, George said: In a nutshell, to answer your question easily these 2 witnesses (Prophets), as some would say either Elijah or Enoch, and others Moses and Elijah were born BEFORE the term Christian was ever mentioned! Before Christ was ever born! Do you call Samuel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, or Daniel .... Christians now? Or are they prophets? Honestly, this discussion has a bit of name-calling and personal inuendos that need to stop. Simply answer questions straightforward and logically. Be blessed, George Scripture does not say when the two witnesses were born. It only says that their lord was crucified in the same city where they shall die. For all you know they may be alive now but haven't been deployed to Jerusalem yet.I would say most likely they are brass and in their forties or fifties when they occupy Jerusalem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted June 16, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 16, 2023 2 hours ago, George said: In a nutshell, to answer your question easily these 2 witnesses (Prophets), as some would say either Elijah or Enoch, and others Moses and Elijah were born BEFORE the term Christian was ever mentioned! Before Christ was ever born! Do you call Samuel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, or Daniel .... Christians now? Or are they prophets? Honestly, this discussion has a bit of name-calling and personal inuendos that need to stop. Simply answer questions straightforward and logically. Be blessed, George PS I do believe the two witnesses are described as gentiles and they shall occupy Jerusalem for 42 months. Revelation 11 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer112 Posted July 1, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 540 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 32 Days Won: 3 Joined: 09/06/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/29/1960 Share Posted July 1, 2023 On 6/11/2023 at 7:49 PM, Shilohsfoal said: In revelation 11,we read of two witnesses of Christ who kill and toment other people.Ive heard great claims by people that these two witnesses are sent don't from heaven by God to judge the ungodly and to torment people with plagues even though scripture doesn't say God sent them.But what scripture does say is that their Lord was crucified in the city where they die.Now if I'm.right and their Lord is Jesus Christ,then wouldn't that mean they are called christians by our standards? Revelation 11:8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. So why do we call ourselves christians when our Lord was crucified but we don't call these two christians? Well, whatever they are it's a sign I'm waiting for. When Starlink is finished then the whole world will see. We still have problems with reception in my area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted July 1, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 1, 2023 36 minutes ago, Believer112 said: Well, whatever they are it's a sign I'm waiting for. When Starlink is finished then the whole world will see. We still have problems with reception in my area. To me ,it's a sign but it's common for armies to have war.Military commanders are killed in war as well as soldiers. Some people believe the two witnesses perform miracles like making literal fire come out of their mouths and burning people up.I understand it to be a simple millitary command. Revelation 11 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. Fire commands are oral orders issued by leaders to focus and distribute fires as required achieving decisive effects against the enemy. They allow leaders to rapidly and concisely articulate their firing instructions using a standard format (Refer to TC 3-20.31-4 for more information). So when I see Jerusalem compassed about by armies,to me that would be the sign that those two military commander are there and Jerusalem will soon be desolate . To people in israel ,they might believe Jerusalem is safe as long as that military and it's commanders are there. Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. According to revelation , those gentiles will occupy Jerusalem for 42 months Revelation 11 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer112 Posted July 1, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 540 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 32 Days Won: 3 Joined: 09/06/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/29/1960 Share Posted July 1, 2023 44 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: To me ,it's a sign but it's common for armies to have war.Military commanders are killed in war as well as soldiers. "Some people believe the two witnesses perform miracles like making literal fire come out of their mouths and burning people up.I understand it to be a simple millitary command." Revelation 11 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. Fire commands are oral orders issued by leaders to focus and distribute fires as required achieving decisive effects against the enemy. They allow leaders to rapidly and concisely articulate their firing instructions using a standard format (Refer to TC 3-20.31-4 for more information). So when I see Jerusalem compassed about by armies,to me that would be the sign that those two military commander are there and Jerusalem will soon be desolate . To people in israel ,they might believe Jerusalem is safe as long as that military and it's commanders are there. Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. According to revelation , those gentiles will occupy Jerusalem for 42 months Revelation 11 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. I believe these two dudes will be bad to the bone. They will be as powerful as Jesus said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shilohsfoal Posted July 1, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 153 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 5,881 Content Per Day: 2.47 Reputation: 330 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/22/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, Believer112 said: I believe these two dudes will be bad to the bone. They will be as powerful as Jesus said. They must not be bad enough because they are overcome by their enemies Elijah never lost a fight Mosus never lost a fight The two gentiles in revelation 11 lose.They must have just wanted to be bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted July 1, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.92 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted July 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said: The two gentiles in revelation 11 lose.They must have just wanted to be bad. Sometimes you win by losing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Believer112 Posted July 1, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 540 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 32 Days Won: 3 Joined: 09/06/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/29/1960 Share Posted July 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Shilohsfoal said: They must not be bad enough because they are overcome by their enemies Elijah never lost a fight Mosus never lost a fight The two gentiles in revelation 11 lose.They must have just wanted to be bad. The Revelation prophesy is told and I'm not going to question it. Everything we say about a future prophesy is conjecture until it happens. God knows! Critically thinking also it will not be unrealistic to have advanced weapons by then. Look at how AI is exploding! Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts