Anne2 Posted June 26, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,499 Content Per Day: 1.47 Reputation: 622 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted June 26, 2023 11 minutes ago, DeighAnn said: Rome Babylon ECT. whatever THE NAME doesn't matter as EVERY 'kingdom' that doesn't have THE ONE TRUE GOD as their only GOD, is of the world and falls under the power of the prince of the air. I Am pretty sure our differences rest on Isreal and Jew's. I think you look at the prophets, from that lens. I will ask you a question which rests my view of things. Has the new covenant revoked this. In Isaac, shall thy seed be called. Ge 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called. Ro 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. Heb 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: Are Jew's still called in Isaac? 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted June 26, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.60 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted June 26, 2023 50 minutes ago, Anne2 said: I still do not understand you. I think it is your wording. "under God's blessing". There were both blessings and cursings. God's Abrahamic blessings are covenantal. Keeping the circumsion was maintaining that covenant. But they were either under a curse to chastize or were under blessing for obedience. I am not seeing this aspect or how you understand it. Jew's still keep that covenant today. It is what makes them Jew's. But through Isaac. In Isaac shall your seed be called. What is your understanding of the Abrahamic Covenant vs the National Covenant vs the Davidic Covenant? Which do you see as being UNconditional and which Conditional? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted June 26, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.60 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted June 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Anne2 said: Are Jew's still called in Isaac? WHICH ONES? THE tribe of Judah JEWS ABSOLUTELY Those who call themselves but aren't, absolutely NOT. They themselves tell us they are not by saying 'we were never in bondage to any man' because WE ALL KNOW that GODS PEOPLE came out of EGYPT, bondage. Can one be a TRUE convert and not be of the 'bloodline' ABSOLUTELY. Can we tell one from the other? Jesus said 27So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. So the ONLY way we could really tell would be BY THEIR FRUITS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewardofthemystery Posted June 26, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.33 Content Count: 977 Content Per Day: 2.81 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 2 Joined: 06/02/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 26, 2023 50 minutes ago, DeighAnn said: 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: Who was it that 'confirmed the covernant'? who were the 'many' it was confirmed with? and what day did it all begin and what day did it all end on? and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, How exactly was that done? When did that take place? What was the reactions of the people? and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, What were the overspreading of abominations? what form did they take? even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. What exactly was poured out upon the desolate? Were they natural events? Supernatural? And if you could just explain how these specific things took place to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Messiah the Prince is the one who brought in the New Covenant, which He confirmed “in” His apostles and disciples in the final week of that prophecy. That prophecy began 490 years earlier when the command was given to rebuild Jerusalem and the Temple. In the middle of the last week Messiah was crucified, which ended the need for animal sacrifices for sin. Jesus Christ is the one who made an end of iniquity for those who believed in His self sacrifice for their sins. Jesus is the one who was anointed, and Jesus is the one who brought in everlasting righteousness. Jesus is also the one who announced the coming destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple mount that both Jesus and the apostles were LOOKING AT WITH THEIR OWN EYES! It was because of all the abominations of the priests and people that God made their house desolate, and God had it destroyed by the Roman army. The Romans were “the people of”the prince that Jesus said would come, and did come. This prince is called Satan who was cast out of Heaven at that time when Jesus said NOW shall the prince of this world be cast out. Jesus warned the Jews of this coming destruction called the abomination of desolation. Jesus told them to flee Jerusalem when they saw the armies of the Romans surrounding Jerusalem. But only one third fled, two thirds remained and were slaughtered. Both the 70 weeks of Daniel, and the AOD are already fulfilled. Those who believe they are not have been “deceived”by the false prophet spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne2 Posted June 26, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,499 Content Per Day: 1.47 Reputation: 622 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted June 26, 2023 1 minute ago, DeighAnn said: What is your understanding of the Abrahamic Covenant vs the National Covenant vs the Davidic Covenant? Which do you see as being UNconditional and which Conditional? Two covenants were made with Abraham Gen 15 concerned the 4th generation of his seed. The covenant of circumcision, concerned kings. Do you believe the new covenant has revoked Israel's calling in Isaac? As for the Davidic covenant, that also looks to the Abrahamic promise of Genesis 17. Which covenant promises both Sarah "kings". Moses never Gave them "kings" or established "kings". Certainly Moses gave concerning any king they would choose for themselves, to be a king of any tribe, not just Judah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewardofthemystery Posted June 26, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.33 Content Count: 977 Content Per Day: 2.81 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 2 Joined: 06/02/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 26, 2023 27 minutes ago, Slibhin said: Okay? Why do I care what Paul thinks? You wouldn’t if you don’t believe Jesus was the Messiah that was prophesied to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted June 26, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.60 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted June 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said: Messiah the Prince is the one who brought in the New Covenant, which He confirmed “in” His apostles and disciples in the final week of that prophecy. That prophecy began 490 years earlier when the command was given to rebuild Jerusalem and the Temple. In the middle of the last week Messiah was crucified, which ended the need for animal sacrifices for sin. Jesus Christ is the one who made an end of iniquity for those who believed in His self sacrifice for their sins. Jesus is the one who was anointed, and Jesus is the one who brought in everlasting righteousness. Jesus is also the one who announced the coming destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple mount that both Jesus and the apostles were LOOKING AT WITH THEIR OWN EYES! It was because of all the abominations of the priests and people that God made their house desolate, and God had it destroyed by the Roman army. The Romans were “the people of”the prince that Jesus said would come, and did come. This prince is called Satan who was cast out of Heaven at that time when Jesus said NOW shall the prince of this world be cast out. Jesus warned the Jews of this coming destruction called the abomination of desolation. Jesus told them to flee Jerusalem when they saw the armies of the Romans surrounding Jerusalem. But only one third fled, two thirds remained and were slaughtered. Both the 70 weeks of Daniel, and the AOD are already fulfilled. Those who believe they are not have been “deceived”by the false prophet spirit. 7And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: Who was it that confirmed this covernant? SURELY the NEW COVENANT WASN'T JUST FOR ONE WEEK AS THIS ONE IS SO what is this one and WHO confirmed it and who are the MANY? and what day did it all begin and what day did it all end on? and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, How exactly was that done? When did that take place? What was the reactions of the people? BY THIS TIME THE MESSIAH HAD BEEN KILLED AND THE SANCTUARY HAD ALREADY BEEN DESTROYED BY THE ROMANS and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, SO AFTER THE TEMPLE WAS DESTROYED there was the ONE WEEK COVENANT, and during that time there is an OVERSPREADING of abominations What were the overspreading of abominations? what form did they take? even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. What exactly was poured out upon the desolate? Were they natural events? Supernatural? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne2 Posted June 26, 2023 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,499 Content Per Day: 1.47 Reputation: 622 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/29/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted June 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Stewardofthemystery said: You wouldn’t if you don’t believe Jesus was the Messiah that was prophesied to come. Or believe Moses. It seems Christians really leave this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeighAnn Posted June 26, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 6,301 Content Per Day: 3.60 Reputation: 1,658 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/31/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted June 26, 2023 11 minutes ago, Anne2 said: Two covenants were made with Abraham Gen 15 concerned the 4th generation of his seed. The covenant of circumcision, concerned kings. Do you believe the new covenant has revoked Israel's calling in Isaac? As for the Davidic covenant, that also looks to the Abrahamic promise of Genesis 17. Which covenant promises both Sarah "kings". Moses never Gave them "kings" or established "kings". Certainly Moses gave concerning any king they would choose for themselves, to be a king of any tribe, not just Judah. I BELIEVE that the 10 Northern tribes of ISRAEL were scattered to the world to fulfill the Abrahamic Covenant when the ASSYRIAN captivity ended... LONG BEFORE the southern TRIBE OF JUDAH returned from captivity to rebuild the temple. By the time CHRIST died THE GOOD NEWS was FOLLOWING the scattered tribes of ISRAEL throughout the world where they had gone to become many NATIONS IN LANDS and islands around the world SO I do NOT BELIEVE THAT THE NEW COVENANT 'changed' GODS PEOPLE, I believe it OPENED IT UP TO EVERYONE because the BLOODLINE didn't matter anymore because CHRIST had been born. So I believe that CHRISTIANS are Israel NO different than when they LIVED in Israel and that ANY gentile who comes to faith IS the same ISRAEL. Israel is the NAME OF GODS PEOPLE. True Jews are the keepers of the Law, and will be grafted back in Christians are the under Grace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewardofthemystery Posted June 26, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.33 Content Count: 977 Content Per Day: 2.81 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 2 Joined: 06/02/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 26, 2023 19 minutes ago, Anne2 said: Or believe Moses. It seems Christians really leave this out. Right, Moses foretold of Christs coming. John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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