Salvation is in your hands, Jesus did his part.

[Bro.Tan]

Once you understand what’s concrete in the Bible then at that point nothing can overturn it. For example Paul said in "1 Corinthians 6:9" Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 

Let continue with Paul. Let go into Galatians 5: Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 

Now Paul said in Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 

Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 

Now lets understand and reason together, Paul just gave us a run down on condition of sins. People who are behaving in such manner will not inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God, even those who are unclean. Being unclean does not mean a person doesn’t wash up, we are not talking about soap and water. We are talking about defiling the body and the mind, with unholiness or unGodliness. 

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

1 hour ago, Bro.Tan said:

Being unclean does not mean a person doesn’t wash up, we are not talking about soap and water. We are talking about defiling the body and the mind, with unholiness or unGodliness. 

And yet the OSAS crowd will argue for hours that they are still saved and will still go to Heaven even as they willingly and knowingly live in sin!  Amazing!

[Vine Abider]

15 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

And yet the OSAS crowd will argue for hours that they are still saved and will still go to Heaven even as they willingly and knowingly live in sin!  Amazing!

"It is for Freedom that Christ has set us free!" 

[Neighbor]

On 8/17/2023 at 1:10 PM, meshak said:

This kind of message is disregarded by mainstream Christians.

And perhaps rightly so. Salvation is not in our hands because Jesus did his part. Salvation is from God alone by God alone.

No one does "their part" to earn salvation. It is a free inheritance. It is made known  only by the Holy Spirit's specific call to  each individual that is saved by the grace of God through the redemptive sacrifice the shed blood of Jesus. All any person has to do is receive the free inheritance.

Once received and recognized/accepted, the total price of it having been paid by Jesus alone, there is the new awareness of it. There is change a sanctification both instant and progressive that occurs; but there is no doing our part to earn the way to our being holy and acceptable to God. That is of God alone, His doing alone. 

[FreeGrace]

18 hours ago, Bro.Tan said:

Once you understand what’s concrete in the Bible then at that point nothing can overturn it.

I do absolutely agree with you.  Nothing can overturn the truth!  Amen!

Jesus taught in John 5:24 that whoever believes has (possesses) eternal life.  This means the MOMENT one becomes a believer in the Lord, they possess eternal life.

Then, Jesus taught in John 10:28 that recipients of eternal life (believers - Jn 5:24) shall never perish.

Therefore, no amount of arguing about how one can lose/forfeit/etc their salvation will work.  Once given the free gift of eternal Alife, the recipient shall never perish.

So, this promise is from the MOMENT of faith in Christ.

I wish the Arminians would just believe what the Bible says.

John 5:24 and 10:28 are THE MOST unambiguous verses in the Bible about eternal security.  

18 hours ago, Bro.Tan said:

For example Paul said in "1 Corinthians 6:9" Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

This doesn't refute what Jesus taught.  Paul gave 3 passages about 'inheriting the kingdom' and all are parallel.  In this one, and Gal 5, Paul said believers who were guilty of the list of sins given would "not inherit the kingdom".  In Eph 5:5, he said it a little differently.  He said, "would have NO inheritance IN the kingdom".  He clearly wasn't talking about entering the kingdom, but rather, having no inheritance IN the kingdom.

So all 3 passages are parallel and teach the same thing.  Believers who live like the lists that Paul gave will NOT be rewarded IN the kingdom.  But Paul NEVER said believers can lose their salvation.

In fact, he agreed with what Jesus taught.  

Eph 1:13  And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

2 Cor 1:22 - set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

2 Cor 5:5 - Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

So, what is "guaranteed to come"?  Eph 1:14 tells us clearly. Our inheritance at the redemption.

18 hours ago, Bro.Tan said:

 Let continue with Paul. Let go into Galatians 5: Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 

Now Paul said in Ephesians 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Yep.  Just covered all 3 parallel passages.  NONE of which are about losing salvation, but rather, reward.

18 hours ago, Bro.Tan said:

 Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Yes, He has.  But NOT for salvation.  For reward.

18 hours ago, Bro.Tan said:

 Now lets understand and reason together, Paul just gave us a run down on condition of sins.

Since Christ died for all sin, it is no longer an issue in salvation, or the work of Christ on the cross isn't really "finished".  

18 hours ago, Bro.Tan said:

People who are behaving in such manner will not inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God, even those who are unclean. Being unclean does not mean a person doesn’t wash up, we are not talking about soap and water. We are talking about defiling the body and the mind, with unholiness or unGodliness. 

Correct.  They will not have an inheritance IN the kingdom.  But Paul NEVER said they wouldn't enter the kingdom.

[FreeGrace]

17 hours ago, Stan Murff said:

And yet the OSAS crowd will argue for hours that they are still saved and will still go to Heaven even as they willingly and knowingly live in sin!  Amazing!

Why do you erroneously claim that the OSAS crowd willingly and knowingly live in sin?  What hogwash.  Everyone who sins does so willingly, including yourself.  

You're just kidding yourself.  Some call it self deception.

It's the Arminian view that blasphemes the work of Christ on the cross.  He died for all sins.  So sin isn't the issue.  Faith is the only issue for salvation.

NO verse any Arminian ever quoted says that salvation can be lost.  Rather, all of them  have to assume the verses mean that.  But they have zero unambiguous verses.

The unambiguous verses are all about eternal security.

[Vine Abider]

25 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

I do absolutely agree with you.  Nothing can overturn the truth!  Amen!

Jesus taught in John 5:24 that whoever believes has (possesses) eternal life.  This means the MOMENT one becomes a believer in the Lord, they possess eternal life.

Then, Jesus taught in John 10:28 that recipients of eternal life (believers - Jn 5:24) shall never perish.

Therefore, no amount of arguing about how one can lose/forfeit/etc their salvation will work.  Once given the free gift of eternal Alife, the recipient shall never perish.

So, this promise is from the MOMENT of faith in Christ.

I wish the Arminians would just believe what the Bible says.

John 5:24 and 10:28 are THE MOST unambiguous verses in the Bible about eternal security.  

This doesn't refute what Jesus taught.  Paul gave 3 passages about 'inheriting the kingdom' and all are parallel.  In this one, and Gal 5, Paul said believers who were guilty of the list of sins given would "not inherit the kingdom".  In Eph 5:5, he said it a little differently.  He said, "would have NO inheritance IN the kingdom".  He clearly wasn't talking about entering the kingdom, but rather, having no inheritance IN the kingdom.

So all 3 passages are parallel and teach the same thing.  Believers who live like the lists that Paul gave will NOT be rewarded IN the kingdom.  But Paul NEVER said believers can lose their salvation.

In fact, he agreed with what Jesus taught.  

Eph 1:13  And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

2 Cor 1:22 - set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

2 Cor 5:5 - Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

So, what is "guaranteed to come"?  Eph 1:14 tells us clearly. Our inheritance at the redemption.

Yep.  Just covered all 3 parallel passages.  NONE of which are about losing salvation, but rather, reward.

Yes, He has.  But NOT for salvation.  For reward.

Since Christ died for all sin, it is no longer an issue in salvation, or the work of Christ on the cross isn't really "finished".  

Correct.  They will not have an inheritance IN the kingdom.  But Paul NEVER said they wouldn't enter the kingdom.

This is a more complete View of what salvation is, that is, salvation is a matter of life- being born again means just that, and one cannot be unborn then somehow. We do not mysteriously then not become His children nor does He kill us!

The more complete view is there is accountability for what we do in this life and that includes rewards and the kingdom ruling and raining, Etc. Well said!

[Big Boy Stan Murf]

2 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

"It is for Freedom that Christ has set us free!" 

Yes, to actually walk after the Spirit... not walk after the flesh and just verbally claim to be right with the Lord which is what many are doing today since they have no reason to turn away from sin having been taught it's not possible to lose one's salvation.

[FreeGrace]

3 minutes ago, Stan Murff said:

Yes, to actually walk after the Spirit... not walk after the flesh and just verbally claim to be right with the Lord which is what many are doing today since they have no reason to turn away from sin having been taught it's not possible to lose one's salvation.

Can you explain/define how to "walk after the Spirit" (Gal 5:16) or be "filled with the Spirit (Eph 5:18) by using Scripture?  It is a command to obey.  So how do people obey the command.  Being a command, it is not automatic nor guaranteed.

Thanks.

[Bro.Tan]

The bible says, we must not only be a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word also (James 1:21-22). DON'T FOOL YOURSELF! If we really have faith in Jesus our actions will prove it. If Jesus is our Lord then we will obey him. Even a child will obey a parent, by getting good grades in school, for the reward of a new bicycle. The child cannot earn money for the bicycle, but instead must act upon their faith to receive the free gift. We must do the same to receive eternal life. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20).

It’s easy for people to say how much they love the Lord, they may be able to deceive man, but God knows the mind. Many profess they know God, but in their works they deny him everyday. Paul said in (Titus 1:16) They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him; being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Yea, most people are talking about how they know God with their lips, but by they works they are doing something totally different. The Lord God commanded you to remember the Sabbath day (which is the seventh day of the week) to keep it holy and you deny him to his face by saying “I go to church on Sunday (the first day of the week) because Paul broke bread on Sunday”. There's no other day to go to church on, but what's written in the Bible. So people have been taught to do the things thats not written in the Bible and to use the Bible to justify it.