The Problem With Evolution Part 2- Animals

[The Barbarian]

1 minute ago, Sparks said:

I think DNA Barcoding is evidence of God breathing life into Adam.

If so, it's hard to see why He would do it for rats.  

 

[Sparks]

6 minutes ago, The Barbarian said:

Since the Bible is pretty vague on that point, and the evidence clearly shows otherwise, not much point in denying things.    Man became a living soul not because he evolved from other species, but because God intervened and gave him a living soul.

Creationists are willing to admit that He did it.   They just disapprove of the way He did it.

They are just recently evolved.   Neither exist in the fossil record.    It would be interesting to see if one of them has been bar-coded.    Bet you a cookie that if it has, it will fit the "within 100,000 years" that nine of ten modern species show.

Actually, it got started by the observation that artificial selection can change populations.   Then Darwin noticed that natural selection does that for wild populations.    And then fossils started showing up and confirming earlier predictions, and then genetic re-confirmed all of them, and so on.

As I showed you, knowledgeable YE creationists disagree with you.  

You have to do a lot of misinterpretation of scripture to arrive at evolution theory, so you might as well also misunderstand that DNA barcoding shows an arrival of fully functional animals and man at the same time.  This does not mean they merely arrived from evolution on the scene at the same time, but BOOM, they arrived because God created them at the same time, likely minutes apart by counting iterations of mDNA.

[FreeGrace]

11 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Time doesn't apply just to Genesis.

True.  And irrelevant to the discussion of Genesis 1.  Doesn't matter where else time applies.

11 hours ago, BeyondET said:

Those lights are in the galaxy and others in the universe which everything physical resides in of coarse the universe is relevant you said it isnt I disagree.

I said time anywhere else isn't relevant to Genesis.  

[FreeGrace]

11 hours ago, RV_Wizard said:

We also know that it all happened on the sixth day.

The Bible doesn't tell us the age of the earth, only the amount of time since its creation.

No, the Bible doesn't tell us anything about "the amount of time since its creation".

The Bible does indicate that the earth became an uninhabitable wasteland, and we all understand that would take some time.  

[The Barbarian]

2 hours ago, Sparks said:

You have to do a lot of misinterpretation of scripture to arrive at evolution theory

You have to do a lot of misinterpretation of scripture to arrive at YE creationism.   On the other hand, you have to do a lot of misinterpretation of scripture to arrive at electromagnetic wave theory.    There are a lot of things that are true, that aren't in scripture.

[The Barbarian]

2 hours ago, Sparks said:

so you might as well also misunderstand that DNA barcoding shows an arrival of fully functional animals and man at the same time. 

No, that's your misunderstanding.   It merely means that about 90% of existing animals evolved within the last 100,000 years.    It also means that about 10% of them evolved earlier than that.

"Ninety percent of existing animal species evolved within the last 100,000 years" could not in any case be twisted to mean "all animals appeared at the same time."

2 hours ago, Sparks said:

This does not mean they merely arrived from evolution on the scene at the same time

See above.   You not only revise scripture, you're now revising scientific papers.  

2 hours ago, Sparks said:

BOOM, they arrived because God created them at the same time

"Within 100,000 years" is not "the same time."    "About 90%" is not "all of them."

 

 

[Sparks]

2 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

You have to do a lot of misinterpretation of scripture to arrive at YE creationism.   On the other hand, you have to do a lot of misinterpretation of scripture to arrive at electromagnetic wave theory.    There are a lot of things that are true, that aren't in scripture.

Creationism is what God said he did.  He told us plainly what he did.  Why do you doubt Him?

[Sparks]

2 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

No, that's your misunderstanding.   It merely means that about 90% of existing animals evolved within the last 100,000 years.    It also means that about 10% of them evolved earlier than that.

"Ninety percent of existing animal species evolved within the last 100,000 years" could not in any case be twisted to mean "all animals appeared at the same time."

See above.   You not only revise scripture, you're now revising scientific papers.  

"Within 100,000 years" is not "the same time."    "About 90%" is not "all of them."

Yeah, you put a twist on it to arrive at your conclusion.  There was no evolution of man, he just showed up on the scene.  But that is how evolution theory works, bad science backed by lies.

[RV_Wizard]

10 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

No, the Bible doesn't tell us anything about "the amount of time since its creation".

The Bible does indicate that the earth became an uninhabitable wasteland, and we all understand that would take some time.  

That's your favorite religious fallacy, Gap Theory.  It wasn't true when you posted it before, it's not true now and it will never be true in the future.  God revealed in Genesis that He created the world in six days.  We know how long Adam lived and the genealogies thereafter.  We can calculate the approximate age of the earth through this information.  

God didn't create a world, realize He messed it all up, wipe the slate clean and start over.  God doesn't make mistakes.

[FreeGrace]

26 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

FreeGrace said: 

No, the Bible doesn't tell us anything about "the amount of time since its creation".

The Bible does indicate that the earth became an uninhabitable wasteland, and we all understand that would take some time.  

That's your favorite religious fallacy

There is no "religion" in the age of the earth.  That would be a fallacy.  Why are you so afraid of an old earth anyway?

26 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

Gap Theory.

I've given no theory.  I have no idea what  happened that caused the earth to become an uninhabitable wasteland.  So please don't start making up such nonsense.

What I have given is what the words mean in Hebrew, in which Genesis was written.

26 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

  It wasn't true when you posted it before, it's not true now and it will never be true in the future. 

Thank you for your unsolicited opinion.

26 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

God revealed in Genesis that He created the world in six days. 

No He didn't.  Ex 20:11 says He made (asah) out of existing materials the earth.  iow, the earth was already there.  He in fact restored it.  As "tohu wabohu" clearly indicates, from where the 2 words are used in the only other 2 places in the OT; Jer 4:23 and Isa 34:11.  And both of those passages clearly indicate a totally destroyed land.

26 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

We know how long Adam lived and the genealogies thereafter.  We can calculate the approximate age of the earth through this information.

No, you can't because the Bible doesn't give any clue as to how long Adam and the woman avoided the tree.  Some think only hours, while others think in terms of thousands of years.  We simply have no idea.  See?  No theories here.

26 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said:

God didn't create a world, realize He messed it all up, wipe the slate clean and start over.  God doesn't make mistakes.

OK, let's get real.  I never said anything a poor building.  The Hebrew SAYS the earth BECAME an uninhabitable wasteland, just as the 2 Hebrew words mean in Jer 4:23 and Isa 34:11.

And isa 45:18 says that God DID NOT create ( bara) the earth "tohu".  So you have a real problem with the contradiction that your favorite translation of Gen 1:2 creates.

It seems the issue is your fear of Darwinian evolution, which is totally put to rest by the actual meaning of Gen 1:2, which easily explains WHY the earth is as old as the scientists have measured it.  No "religion", no "theories", just the facts from the original Hebrew.

Edited December 29, 2023 by FreeGrace