The Barbarian Posted December 30, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,074 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 970 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Sparks said: So, there is no possibility that the creationists are right about days meaning literal days? If not, why not? You'd have to ignore the issue of mornings and evenings, without a sun to have them. Remove that, and it's less clear that the days are figurative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted December 30, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,074 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 970 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Sparks said: You seem to make stuff up as fact. God said these things. I believe Him. You should, too. And the evidence supports scripture in this: For one thing, 100,000 years rules out YE. For another thing, species appearing over that length of time rules out a six day creation period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted December 30, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,074 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 970 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 30, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Neighbor said: Always interesting, even if it simply provides new information that shows we know precious little today, just as yesterday. It's ironic. As the sphere of human knowledge enlarges, the surface of that sphere, separating knowledge and ignorance, increases showing more and more things we don't know. I don't doubt that 27 billion years is a better estimate for the age of the universe, but almost surely, new knowledge will refine that estimate, as the latest estimate refined the old one. Science is the process of being less and less wrong about the universe. Edited December 30, 2023 by The Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted December 30, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 30, 2023 22 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: You'd have to ignore the issue of mornings and evenings, without a sun to have them. Remove that, and it's less clear that the days are figurative. I guess it has never occurred to you that God was the light. If you fast forward to Revelation, you will see that God will be the literal light again for us all (well those saved), and there will be no sun nor moon required for the new Earth. Realize that not everything in the Bible symbolism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted December 30, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 30, 2023 25 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: God said these things. I believe Him. You should, too. And the evidence supports scripture in this: For one thing, 100,000 years rules out YE. For another thing, species appearing over that length of time rules out a six day creation period. How does 100,000 years rule out YE? Trillions of years would rule it out, but 100,000 years is young and is surely not enough time to 'evolve' man. What things did God say about evolution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_Wizard Posted December 31, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 773 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 327 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/05/1962 Share Posted December 31, 2023 56 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: You'd have to ignore the issue of mornings and evenings, without a sun to have them. Remove that, and it's less clear that the days are figurative. Light was created on day one. The light shone on the earth, causing evening and morning because the planet was obviously rotating. Read Genesis 1:3. Then re-read Genesis 1:3. Read it again, there will be a test. Ready? And God said, "Let there be____________"? A. Frogs, B. Original Progenitors, C. Light, D. A planet unattended for 13 billion years Your answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted December 31, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,074 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 970 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 31, 2023 30 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said: Light was created on day one. The light shone on the earth, causing evening and morning because the planet was obviously rotating. That excuse won't work. If just a light in the sky would suffice, moonrise would be morning. 30 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said: Your answer? See above. If your argument requires redefining words, that's a pretty good clue that it needs some work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted December 31, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,074 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 970 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Sparks said: How does 100,000 years rule out YE? YE says the world and all the living things in it were specially brought into being no more than 10,000 years ago,and all within one six-day period. So 90% of living things gradually appearing over 100,000 years, with 10% of them appearing long before that, pretty much eliminates YE creationism. 1 hour ago, Sparks said: Trillions of years would rule it out It would also rule out existing science. The best estimate we have now is for about 26.7 billion years. 1 hour ago, Sparks said: but 100,000 years is young and is surely not enough time to 'evolve' man. There are anatomically modern humans, humans who wouldn't look strange if dressed in modern clothes, are about twice that age. We're one of that 10% that's older than 100,000 years. 1 hour ago, Sparks said: What things did God say about evolution? Same thing He said about protons and radar waves. Check your Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted December 31, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,074 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 970 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sparks said: I guess it has never occurred to you that God was the light. That excuse won't work. If all you needed was a big light in the sky, moonrise would be morning. If you redefine words to fit your desires, your argument is probably faulty. This kind of thing is how we separate figurative text from literal history. Edited December 31, 2023 by The Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted December 31, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: Same thing He said about protons and radar waves. Check your Bible. He said "Let their be light," and all kinds of things were created in that moment. He designed time, space and matter at that moment, the various laws like gravity, and naturally, light became a thing. It might surprise you to know that "Universe" means, one spoken sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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