Sparks Posted December 31, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: That excuse won't work. If all you needed was a big light in the sky, moonrise would be morning. If you redefine words to fit your desires, your argument is probably faulty. This kind of thing is how we separate figurative text from literal history. The excuse of God? Read Revelation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted December 31, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,077 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 972 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 31, 2023 40 minutes ago, Sparks said: The excuse of God? No, man's excuse. As you see, "big light in the sky" is not morning. You need a sun for it. Otherwise, moonrise would be morning. Revelation does not conflict with Genesis. So that won't work, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted December 31, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,077 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 972 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 31, 2023 (edited) Same thing He said about protons and radar waves. Check your Bible. 49 minutes ago, Sparks said: He said "Let their be light," and all kinds of things were created in that moment. But He didn't mention radar waves, protons, evolution, and many other natural phenomena. 49 minutes ago, Sparks said: It might surprise you to know that "Universe" means, one spoken sentence. It would surprise a lot of scholars, if it were true... universe (n.) 1580s, "the whole world, cosmos, the totality of existing things," from Old French univers (12c.), from Latin universum "all things, everybody, all people, the whole world," noun use of neuter of adjective universus "all together, all in one, whole, entire, relating to all," literally "turned into one," from unus "one" (from PIE root *oi-no- "one, unique") + versus, past participle of vertere "to turn, turn back, be turned; convert, transform, translate; be changed" (from PIE root *wer- (2) "to turn, bend").also from 1580s https://www.etymonline.com/word/universe However, the word "verse" is derived from the same proto-IndoEuropean "wer" in the sense of "turning", so you're close. Think of a person reading one line of a poem after another, especially in Greek which was first written alternately from left to right, and then from right to left. As in turning the way a farmer plows a field. (boustrophedon) Edited December 31, 2023 by The Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted December 31, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 31, 2023 13 hours ago, The Barbarian said: Same thing He said about protons and radar waves. Check your Bible. But He didn't mention radar waves, protons, evolution, and many other natural phenomena. It would surprise a lot of scholars, if it were true... universe (n.) 1580s, "the whole world, cosmos, the totality of existing things," from Old French univers (12c.), from Latin universum "all things, everybody, all people, the whole world," noun use of neuter of adjective universus "all together, all in one, whole, entire, relating to all," literally "turned into one," from unus "one" (from PIE root *oi-no- "one, unique") + versus, past participle of vertere "to turn, turn back, be turned; convert, transform, translate; be changed" (from PIE root *wer- (2) "to turn, bend").also from 1580s https://www.etymonline.com/word/universe However, the word "verse" is derived from the same proto-IndoEuropean "wer" in the sense of "turning", so you're close. Think of a person reading one line of a poem after another, especially in Greek which was first written alternately from left to right, and then from right to left. As in turning the way a farmer plows a field. (boustrophedon) Uni = One Verse = Sentence The Bible describes God speaking to create the universe. You will notice, Jesus merely spoke Lazrus back to life. Perhaps we honor His astonishing power that He spoke the universe into existence every time we say Universe. Naturally, secular evolutionists don't want to think they are doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted December 31, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 6,159 Content Per Day: 2.03 Reputation: 2,513 Days Won: 8 Joined: 01/20/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted December 31, 2023 2 hours ago, The Barbarian said: No, man's excuse. As you see, "big light in the sky" is not morning. You need a sun for it. Otherwise, moonrise would be morning. Revelation does not conflict with Genesis. So that won't work, either. Revelation describes our future in which God will be our sun. No sun, and no moon required. Incidentally, since God created the entire universe, it's laws, properties and everything in it, ... I bet He can count hours without a sun or moon or even a wristwatch. Revelation 21:23 (KJV) And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted December 31, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,461 Content Per Day: 8.10 Reputation: 622 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted December 31, 2023 12 hours ago, The Barbarian said: Sparks said: So, there is no possibility that the creationists are right about days meaning literal days? If not, why not? You'd have to ignore the issue of mornings and evenings, without a sun to have them. Remove that, and it's less clear that the days are figurative. So Ex 20:11 isn't literal either? Why would 'date' the account of Genesis 1 in 6 days if it didn't mean actual 24 hour days? Your theory about needing a sun for morning hasn't been substantiated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted December 31, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,461 Content Per Day: 8.10 Reputation: 622 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted December 31, 2023 12 hours ago, The Barbarian said: God said these things. I believe Him. You should, too. And the evidence supports scripture in this: For one thing, 100,000 years rules out YE. For another thing, species appearing over that length of time rules out a six day creation period. The fallacy continues to be that Genesis 1 is about God taking 6 days to create the earth. He took 6 days to restore earth before creating man and putting him on earth. The creation of earth along with the whole universe was spoken into existence, per Psa 33:6 and 9. Even if God whispered the whole thing into existence, I'll bet there was a "big bang" when everything appeared immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeGrace Posted December 31, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,461 Content Per Day: 8.10 Reputation: 622 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/07/2022 Status: Offline Share Posted December 31, 2023 11 hours ago, The Barbarian said: YE says the world and all the living things in it were specially brought into being no more than 10,000 years ago,and all within one six-day period. So 90% of living things gradually appearing over 100,000 years, with 10% of them appearing long before that, pretty much eliminates YE creationism. And all this is solved by understanding that God created the universe by spaking it into existence in a moment. Then, much later, He restored the earth for man's use. 11 hours ago, The Barbarian said: It would also rule out existing science. The best estimate we have now is for about 26.7 billion years. And that's just a brief moment for Eternal God. 11 hours ago, The Barbarian said: Same thing He said about protons and radar waves. Check your Bible. Would be helpful to provide at least a citation for what you are referring to. To simply "check your Bible" is hardly helpful. I don't believe the words "protons" or "radar waves" are found in the Bible. But you could prove me wrong easily if there were such verses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted December 31, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,077 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 972 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 hour ago, FreeGrace said: Would be helpful to provide at least a citation for what you are referring to. To simply "check your Bible" is hardly helpful. I don't believe the words "protons" or "radar waves" are found in the Bible. My point, exactly. Lots of things like radar and evolution exist, but the Bible doesn't mention them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted December 31, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,077 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 972 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 31, 2023 1 hour ago, FreeGrace said: The creation of earth along with the whole universe was spoken into existence, per Psa 33:6 and 9. Even if God whispered the whole thing into existence, I'll bet there was a "big bang" when everything appeared immediately. That was St. Augustine's understanding, and I think he was right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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