The Problem With Evolution Part 2- Animals

[Sparks]

Just now, The Barbarian said:

Which is how we know it's figurative, not a literal history.   No sun, no morning.

So, if God had created the sun first, you would have believed Him?   Is the god you believe-in so weak he cannot claim 24 hour periods without a sun, because it would no sweat for God Almighty to know the time-of-day, while creating the place where we would live and tell the time-of-day.

I guess the god of evolution is a real wimp, especially compared to God Almighty!

[Sparks]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

Funny thing about words.  The way you worded your post suggested that you knew of verses that did mention protons and radar waves.  

But cars, now that's another thing.  The Bible does actually mention one.

Joshua 9:2 - that they gathered themselves together, to fight with Joshua and with Israel, with one accord.  {I've never seen fighting with a car before, but maybe this was the first case of "road rage"}

Acts 1:14 - These all with one accord continued stedfastly in prayer, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.  {a rather crowded car}

Acts 2:46 - And day by day, continuing stedfastly with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread at home, they took their food with gladness and singleness of heart, {I know the homeless often sleep in cars.  Maybe this is an example.}

Acts 4;24 - And they, when they heard it, lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, O Lord, thou that didst make the heaven and the earth and the sea, and all that in them is:

Acts 5:12 - And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people: and they were all with one accord in Solomon’s porch.  {again, a rather crowded scene}

Acts 7:57 - But they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and rushed upon him with one accord;  {seems they wanted to run over Paul}

2 Cor 8:3 - For according to their power, I bear witness, yea and beyond their power, they gave of their own accord  {seems they were giving their car to the less fortunate}

If you learn the roots of a little Greek and Latin, you won't need a dictionary very often.

[RV_Wizard]

Just now, Sparks said:

I guess the god of evolution is a real wimp, especially compared to God Almighty!

Especially when the god of evolution is evolution.

[The Barbarian]

On 12/31/2023 at 1:57 PM, Sparks said:

So, if God had created the sun first, you would have believed Him? 

The question is will you believe Him?

On 12/31/2023 at 1:57 PM, Sparks said:

Is the god you believe-in so weak he cannot claim 24 hour periods without a sun

God is not a god of deception.   Since by definition, "morning" requires a sun, we can be confident that God did not deceive us by having a morning without a sun.

On 12/31/2023 at 1:57 PM, Sparks said:

I guess the god of evolution...

...is another evolutionist strawman.   You might as well talk about the god of thunderstorms. 

The God who created evolution is a God capable of creating the Earth to bring forth all things into being as He intended.    He's not some little Middle Eastern godling, making a rabbit here and a cow there.    The God of the Bible is much more powerful and wise than creationists would like Him to be.

 

 

Edited January 3 by The Barbarian

[The Barbarian]

4 minutes ago, Sparks said:

If you learn the roots of a little Greek and Latin, you won't need a dictionary very often.

 I taught a class in Greek and Latin roots to science majors.

That's how I knew what "universe" means.

[The Barbarian]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

But cars, now that's another thing.  The Bible does actually mention one.

Joshua 9:2 - that they gathered themselves together, to fight with Joshua and with Israel, with one accord.  {I've never seen fighting with a car before, but maybe this was the first case of "road rage"}

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Edited December 31, 2023 by The Barbarian

[RV_Wizard]

59 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Again, God didn't give any details about WHY or HOW the earth became an uninhabitable wasteland.  And whatever it was could certainly have effected (as in destroyed) things around the earth, like the sun, moon, planets.  Those kind of things.

Why would God give us details of something that never happened?

The sun, moon and planets came on day four.  Now you're inventing new doctrine; that not only was there a gap of millions of years between verse 1 and verse two, but now the entire universe had to be recreated after the original creation failed.  This is based on false teaching and your own misinterpretation of two words you don't understand.

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

If you learn the roots of a little Greek and Latin, you won't need a dictionary very often.

A little humor to lighten things up a bit.   

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said:

  FreeGrace said: 

Again, God didn't give any details about WHY or HOW the earth became an uninhabitable wasteland.  And whatever it was could certainly have effected (as in destroyed) things around the earth, like the sun, moon, planets.  Those kind of things.

Why would God give us details of something that never happened?

Why ask such a ridiculous question.  The BETTER question is why to continue t0 resist the FACT that the Bible defines itself, and it sure did with "tohu wabohu".  2 of the contexts are very clear about what it describes;  total destruction.  The other passage has no context.  Not hard to figure out.

1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said:

The sun, moon and planets came on day four.  Now you're inventing new doctrine; that not only was there a gap of millions of years between verse 1 and verse two, but now the entire universe had to be recreated after the original creation failed.  This is based on false teaching and your own misinterpretation of two words you don't understand.

There is no "doctrine".  Only some facts.  Those who want to make a doctrine out of earth age need to find some better things to do.  They have too much time on their hands.

I'm amazed at your great fear of 'millions' of years.  What's to fear?  All you are fearing is the FACT that you have accepted a very lousy translation that isn't factual.

You can't even defend the translation of "without form".  Every object HAS a form.

The Hebrew scholars who translated the Hebrew into Koine Greek rendered "tohu" as "unsightly".  Go ahead and defend that translation.  Those guys knew both Greek and Hebrew BETTER than any of the translators to English.  

And you prefer the glaring contradiction between the lousy translation of Gen 1:2 and Isa 45:18 of having NO contradiction between the 2 verses when v.2 is properly understood.

Have it your way.  I'll stick with what the Hebrew says.

Edited December 31, 2023 by FreeGrace

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said:

This is based on false teaching and your own misinterpretation of two words you don't understand.

Are you kidding?  You have REJECTED what they clearly and obviously describe in Jer 4:23 and Isa 34:11.  And therefore mean the SAME THING in Gen 1:2.

The fact that you're not willing to admit when you have been corrected says volumes.

But go ahead and fall on your sword.