Eman_3 Posted December 7, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 187 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/10/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 7, 2023 16 hours ago, FJK said: Can you elaborate on that? In the past few decades, however, discoveries of other written sources have shown that gangs of Egyptian citizens provided most of the labor. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-egypt-s-great-pyramid-changed-civilization/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eman_3 Posted December 7, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 187 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/10/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 7, 2023 34 minutes ago, Who me said: If you believe Jesus never existed then you have to argue and present your evidence. One can not prove a negative. For example, if I stated "A giant troll lives under my bed, is invisible and comes out each night to frighten my cat." If you believe that troll never existed then you have to argue and present your evidence. Of course you can't. Because one can not prove a negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted December 7, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.61 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted December 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Eman_3 said: In the past few decades, however, discoveries of other written sources have shown that gangs of Egyptian citizens provided most of the labor. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-egypt-s-great-pyramid-changed-civilization/ That's a nice story, but that is all that it is. just a story based on what someone wants to claim as an alternative to thousands of thought to the otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eman_3 Posted December 7, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 187 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/10/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 7, 2023 3 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: Do you know 500 people who would face a gruesome death to promote a lie? I can easily think of 19 people who willingly went to their deaths for their beliefs. They were the terrorists who committed 911. This validates that with enough faith anyone is willing to die. Many assume that since the four gospels describe the crucifixion and resurrection that they were penned by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. But modern biblical scholars have the consensus that those four gospels were written anonymously, and certainly not by an eyewitness to the events portrayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eman_3 Posted December 7, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 187 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/10/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted December 7, 2023 15 minutes ago, FJK said: That's a nice story But it was authored by respected people in their fields. Yes, it is a nice story, just like the ones about Robin Hood, Kind Arthur, and Jesus. All three all have the appearance of urban legends where one individual was the kernel of the stories, but over time over countless verbal passings, some was added, some was omitted and the main protagonist took my mythical properties. When people are invested in a topic, they can exaggerate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_Wizard Posted December 8, 2023 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 776 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 331 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/05/1962 Share Posted December 8, 2023 8 hours ago, Eman_3 said: I can easily think of 19 people who willingly went to their deaths for their beliefs. They were the terrorists who committed 911. This validates that with enough faith anyone is willing to die. While you make a valid point, the distinction is that many of the early Christians were NOT believers until they saw the risen Christ. That's different from someone who had been spoon fed jihad from infancy. Some of the hijackers believed they were coming home that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eman_3 Posted March 6 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 187 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/10/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted March 6 On 12/7/2023 at 6:54 AM, RV_Wizard said: The fact is, none of those who witnessed the resurrection ever recanted their testimony, even under torture and death. Who? Names please. From my enquiries the sole conclusion I can reach is that while there is a lot of circumstantial evidence, there is zero hard archeological evidence of Jesus and the Resurresction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_Wizard Posted March 6 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 776 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 331 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/05/1962 Share Posted March 6 6 hours ago, Eman_3 said: Who? Names please. Ownership of the stupidest question has just been re-assigned. If I could prove to you beyond the shadow of a doubt that Jesus Christ was the son of God; that He was born of a virgin, took on the sins of the world and was crucified to provide the perfect blood sacrifice for sin, you would have knowledge. You would go to Hell, but you would have knowledge. The way to Heaven is through faith. Faith is having absolute confidence in things unproven. If you want to know more and you don't trust the Bible or clergy, try either reading "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel or seeing the movie. Strobel was an atheist who investigated the evidence looking for proof that it was all a hoax. He became a devout Christian. Ask yourself this question. If you were given a choice between recanting a story or being eaten by a lion, why would you choose the lion if you weren't 100% convinced that what you saw was real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eman_3 Posted March 7 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 187 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 46 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/10/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted March 7 9 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: 15 hours ago, Eman_3 said: Who? Names please. Ownership of the stupidest question has just been re-assigned. So .... the short answer is you can not back up your assertions. You made a claim, it was challenged. But instead of backing up your claim with facts and evidence, you just go to ad hominem. 1 Peter 3:15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect Read the Bible and follow the teachings of Jesus instead of engaging in such actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_Wizard Posted March 7 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 776 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 331 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/05/1962 Share Posted March 7 16 minutes ago, Eman_3 said: So .... the short answer is you can not back up your assertions. Paul writes in 1 Corinthians that Jesus had not only appeared to him, but to the twelve apostles, 500 of Jesus’s followers, and Jesus’s brother James. Paul was a persecutor of Christians prior to seeing Jesus. Another key point is that Paul didn’t have to mention the 500 if he didn’t want to. In essence, he was inviting his readers, many of whom would have been contemporaries of the 500 witnesses to the resurrection, to seek them out and ask about Jesus’s return themselves. Why would he invite this kind of scrutiny if he wasn’t sure his account was correct? source Christ is absolutely unique in being the only person in history who was pre-announced starting a thousand years before He was born, with over 100 prophetic accounts from 18 different prophets from the Old Testament between the 10th and the fourth centuries BC — predicting the specifics of His coming birth, life and death. Hundreds of years later, the details of Christ’s birth, life, betrayal, and death validated those prophecies in surprisingly accurate and minute detail. One thousand years BC, David prophetically wrote about the crucifixion of Christ at a time crucifixion was unknown as a means of execution.... Particularly noteworthy is that there were no accounts of witnesses who came forth and disputed these appearances or called it a “hoax.” Not a single one. Nor do we find any historical record of any witness accounts that were contradictory. While there are skeptics of the biblical Jesus, there’s actually far more reliable historical evidence for His life, teachings, miracles, death, and resurrection than for any other historical figure of ancient times. source About 1,000 times more manuscripts preserve the deeds and teaching of Jesus in the New Testament (about 25,000 total) than there are preserving other classical ancient works of historic figures who lived at approximately the same time, with the exception of Homer, whose Iliad is backed by 1,800 manuscripts. But that is still less than one-tenth the number of ancient manuscripts that back the authenticity of the New Testament.... Additionally, the apostles’ willingness to die for their claims has tremendous evidential value, also confirming the truth of the resurrection. No one will die for something he invented or believes to be false. ibid Referring back to the OP, it is possible to reject the Exodus and still go to Heaven. It is NOT possible to reject the resurrection of Christ and go there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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