The Barbarian Posted February 24 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,053 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 969 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24 53 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said: Everything I say I back up by posting God's word. My church is the Bible. Your church is your new interpretation of the Bible. Not a good practice, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_Wizard Posted February 24 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 754 Content Per Day: 0.82 Reputation: 324 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/05/1962 Share Posted February 24 11 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: Your church is your new interpretation of the Bible. I'm not the one who hacks up the Bible to try and shove the ungodly lie of evolution down everyone's throat. Every Bible quote you've posted has been blatantly taken out of context. You seem to have your own interpretation of the Bible, which has only a few words in common with the King James Bible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted February 24 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,053 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 969 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24 4 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said: I'm not the one who hacks up the Bible to try and shove the ungodly lie of evolution down everyone's throat. I already showed you that the Bible takes no position whatever on the observed fact of evolution. Why pretend otherwise? You might as well announce that the Bible opposes gravity. Everyone here knows it. Every Bible quote you've posted has been blatantly taken out of context. Your new interpretation of the Bible doesn't work in any case. As you have learned, evolution has been observed happening in all sorts of living populations. So you've finally come around to calling God's creation "a lie." Why not just let Him do it His way? Set your pride aside and let it be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Free Posted February 24 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 290 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 24 1 hour ago, RV_Wizard said: Christ is the fulfilment of the Scriptures, not the correction. “Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold. We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelite's from seeing the end of what was passing away. But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate[a] the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.” 2 Corinthians 3:7-18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_Wizard Posted February 24 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 754 Content Per Day: 0.82 Reputation: 324 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/05/1962 Share Posted February 24 40 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: I already showed you that the Bible takes no position whatever on the observed fact of evolution. Wow! Four lies in one sentence. That has to be a record. 1. You showed nothing but fragments of a verse taken out of context. 2. The Bible DOES take the position that God man man specifically on the fourth day of creation. Lying about what is written doesn't change what is written. 3. Evolution as you put it forth has not been observed and cannot be observed, both because it didn't happen and also because it COULDN'T happen. It's religion disguised as junk science. 4. Evolution is not a fact. It's a religion, and one you hold higher than the word of God. 45 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: You might as well announce that the Bible opposes gravity. What a profoundly sophomoric thought. The Bible doesn't specifically oppose alchemy or Islam because neither had been put forth yet. It does, however, warn about false religions that teach things contrary to the Scriptures. Gravity is easily demonstrated. Molecules to man cannot; neither can "evolution" be forced through multiple generations of forced mutations. Fruit flies remain fruit flies, and evolution remains a false religion. If it weren't false, you wouldn't have to lie to promote it. 50 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: Your new interpretation of the Bible doesn't work in any case. Everyone here knows that you're speaking falsely when you say that the six day creation is a new interpretation. Moses wrote it, God confirmed it, and Jesus warned that if you didn't believe the words of Moses you wouldn't believe Him, either. What does it say about false teachers in 2nd Peter, 2? 58 minutes ago, The Barbarian said: So you've finally come around to calling God's creation "a lie." God's six day creation is truth. Evolution is a lie. Jesus quoted Genesis, not Darwin. Adam was created from the dust of the earth. He wasn't born from am almost human. Sin and death came to the world through one man, just as salvation came to the world from one man. Evolution is a satanic lie. Why would anyone pay attention to the teacher of satanic lies, when the word of God is available for all to read? Romans 5:12-21 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come. But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. And the free gift is not like the result of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. Is it possible to believe in evolution and still be a Christian? If being a Christian means believing that the Bible is the authentic, trustworthy Word of God and that Christ is our Creator and Savior, the answer is “No.” One cannot believe these things and also believe in evolution as the explanation for the origin of life on our earth as we know it. Some theologians have attempted to reconcile the biblical Creation story with the evolutionary explanation for the origin of life. But to do so requires interpreting the six days of creation in Genesis as long, indefinite periods of time rather than six literal, 24 hour days as the text indicates. Such an interpretation of Scripture cannot be supported by sound principles of Bible study. In many ways evolution and Christianity are not compatible.... Read on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted February 24 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,053 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 969 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24 54 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said: Evolution as you put it forth has not been observed and cannot be observed, both because it didn't happen and also because it COULDN'T happen. It's happening everywhere in living populations. Did you forget what biological evolution is, again? What did I show you? Think back... "Change in allele frequency in a population over time." And as even many creationists now admit, that leads to new species. I think you've confused evolution with common descent, again. 56 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said: Evolution is a satanic lie. It's a natural phenomenon. If you think God's creation is a "satanic lie" that's a pretty good clue that you have it wrong. 57 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said: Moses wrote it, God confirmed it, and Jesus warned that if you didn't believe the words of Moses you wouldn't believe Him, either. As you learned, Jesus never said that the creation days were literal days. You just tried to put you words into God's mouth. Bad idea, that. If you won't believe Jesus and Moses, there really isn't much to be done to help you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_Wizard Posted February 24 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 754 Content Per Day: 0.82 Reputation: 324 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/05/1962 Share Posted February 24 6 hours ago, The Barbarian said: I think you've confused evolution with common descent, Evolution IS the theory of common descent. Because it is a satanic lie, it defines itself as a form of adaptation, which is something that we do see. The key claim of evolution is that man evolved from simpler life forms over millions of years. Evolution, taken to it's base, claims an original progenitor NOT an original creator. You say these very things, then hide behind the lie that "it's just the change of allele frequencies over time." NO evolution proponent is content that modern speciation occurred after the flood. Every one of you denies the flood, denies the creation, denies the special creation, denies the fall of man, and distorts the Bible to support his claim. Evolution is Islam in a white coat. 6 hours ago, The Barbarian said: As you learned, Jesus never said that the creation days were literal days. We don't have all the words of Jesus, just the ones which were recorded. As you learned, Jesus never contradicted a word from the Scriptures. As you learned, Jesus taught that we were to believe the words of Moses. As you learned, Jesus said that from the beginning God created man and woman. As you learned, Jesus warned us against false teachers and spreaders of false doctrine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_Wizard Posted February 24 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 754 Content Per Day: 0.82 Reputation: 324 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/05/1962 Share Posted February 24 If we look carefully at the biblical Creation account, it is very difficult to come to any other conclusion; but that Moses, the author, intended to describe literal, 24-hour days. The Hebrew word, yom, has the same meaning as our English word day. In both languages the word can refer to literal days or it can refer to longer periods of time. For example, we may use expressions such as “the day of our forefathers.” However, in Hebrew, if a numeral accompanies the word yom, it always means a literal day. There are no exceptions. In the Creation account, yom is associated with day one, day two, day three, etc. Moses also makes use of the following expressions: evening and morning (see Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, etc.), light and darkness (see Genesis 1:5), night and day (see Genesis 1:5). He could hardly have made it more clear that he was referring to literal days. If each day in the Creation account is actually a long period of time, plants would have been created long before insects, since plants were created on the third day and insects were created on the fifth day. Yet many plants cannot survive without the pollination provided by insects. The clear intent of the biblical account is that each day of Creation week was a 24-hour day. If not, then the basis of the fourth commandment is wrong. The fourth commandment (see Exodus 20:8-11) says that the Sabbath is based on the Creation week when God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh day and blessed it. Evolution does not allow for a Sabbath that celebrates a Creator God who created our world in one week. source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted February 24 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,053 Content Per Day: 0.66 Reputation: 969 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted February 24 2 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: Evolution IS the theory of common descent. This is why you keep failing here. You aren't a very careful thinker. First, evolution is an observed natural phenomena. Remember when I showed you that biological evolution is a change in allele frequencies in a population? We see that constantly. But even evolutionary theory (the theory that explains evolution) is not about common descent. In fact, Darwin specifically stated that God might have created any number of original living things. He had no way of knowing at the time. Only when genetics showed that all living things on Earth (so far as we've so far found) have a common ancestor, did scientists accept it as true. Your beef is with genetics, not evolutionary theory. 3 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: The key claim of evolution is that man evolved from simpler life forms over millions of years. No. That's a consequence of evolution, not evolutionary theory. It happens to fit evolutionary theory. 3 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: Evolution, taken to it's base, claims an original progenitor NOT an original creator. I know you don't realize it, but that's a lie. Darwin, for example, said that God just created the first living things. It's in the last sentence of On the Origin of Species. 3 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: Every one of you denies the flood I showed you that there is very good evidence for the flood. It's just not what your modern revision of scripture would have. 3 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: denies the creation By now, you should know better than to post lies like that. Darwin himself attributed life to creation by God. 3 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: denies the fall of man Nothing in evolutionary theory denies the fall of man. You know this; why keep saying otherwise? Creationism is Islam waving a Bible. As you learned, Jesus never said that the creation days were literal days. 3 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: We don't have all the words of Jesus, just the ones which were recorded We don't have any words of Jesus saying the boogeyman is a real person, either. For the same reason, I think. 3 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: As you learned, Jesus warned us against false teachers and spreaders of false doctrine. Such as those who would add words to His own. Try to do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Free Posted February 24 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 88 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 1,276 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 290 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 24 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Barbarian said: No. That's a consequence of evolution, not evolutionary theory. It happens to fit evolutionary theory. If Adam is a type of Christ the following comparison is plausible. Jesus is basically a special birth designed to create a new race of beings from a preexisting lesser species. Could the mud in Adams creation simply be God referencing living earthly things in general? Similar how the Spirit compares the nations to dust or the sea with humanity. Edited February 24 by Scott Free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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