The Barbarian Posted March 21 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,074 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 970 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21 6 minutes ago, dad2 said: The way great time in the 'cosmos' is determined by science is faith based. This is how we know you have no idea about the evidence. 7 minutes ago, dad2 said: One way to dispel any notion of a pre existing universe (before the world was created) is to read how the entire heavens (cosmos) will vanish in one day. God said that he created Heaven and Earth in a day. You think that's one literal day? 9 minutes ago, dad2 said: The basic question becomes who we believe and lean on for the truth. We'll know about you, when you answer the question. So what will it be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted March 21 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,510 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 185 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21 Quote This is how we know you have no idea about the evidence. Why allude to 'evidence' you can neither produce or defend is you did? Quote God said that he created Heaven and Earth in a day. You think that's one literal day? The earth and heaven were created on day one. That heaven did not contain anything though like stars sun or moon. That came later and was put IN the heaven. Just as a lot of things were put on the earth later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted March 21 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,074 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 970 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21 (edited) God said that he created Heaven and Earth in a day. You think that's one literal day? We'll know about you, when you answer the question. So what will it be? 1 hour ago, dad2 said: That heaven did not contain anything though like stars sun or moon. That came later and was put IN the heaven. That excuse won't work for you. Genesis 2: 4 These are the generations of the heaven and the earth, when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the heaven and the earth: 5 And every plant of the field before it sprung up in the earth, and every herb of the ground before it grew: for the Lord God had not rained upon the earth; and there was not a man to till the earth. Your problem is that there are two different accounts of creation, with different times when things were created. You flip back and forth between them, trying to get them to fit together. Edited March 21 by The Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted March 21 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,074 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 970 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21 1 hour ago, dad2 said: The way great time in the 'cosmos' is determined by science is faith based. It always surprises me how so many creationists have so low an opinion of faith that they use it as an accusation. They envy science, which works on evidence, accusing scientists of thinking as they do. They should have some faith in faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted March 21 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,510 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 185 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21 Quote God said that he created Heaven and Earth in a day. You think that's one literal day? We'll know about you, when you answer the question. So what will it be? Since the rest of the days of creation were a day, one could not say the first day was not as well. Quote Your problem is that there are two different accounts of creation, with different times when things were created. You flip back and forth between them, trying to get them to fit together. No problem whatsoever. There is one order of creation and in chapter two a look at what was already (as verse one says) FINISHED. Not two conflicting confused accounts at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dad2 Posted March 21 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,510 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 185 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/28/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 21 3 hours ago, The Barbarian said: It always surprises me how so many creationists have so low an opinion of faith that they use it as an accusation. They envy science, which works on evidence, accusing scientists of thinking as they do. They should have some faith in faith. Nothing wrong with honest faith. The dishonest belief offered as fact is an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_Wizard Posted March 22 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 773 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 327 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/05/1962 Share Posted March 22 10 hours ago, The Barbarian said: You already learned that's not true. St. Augustine, for example, showed long before that, that the "days" of creation could not be literal ones. I already proved that was false. Augustine was one who doubted the literal interpretation, but despite being your hero, he would be the first to tell you that you're wrong. “On the basis of Sacred Scripture, however, we calculate that not even six thousand years have passed since the origin of mankind.” - Augustine, quoted in City of God. You've probably brought him up 50 times, and he didn't believe in the nonsense you post here. And yes, evolution is heresy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted March 22 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,074 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 970 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 22 You already learned that's not true. St. Augustine, for example, showed long before that, that the "days" of creation could not be literal ones. 55 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said: I already proved that was false. No, you refused to believe what Augustine found. But he's got a much higher regard among Christians than you do. For good reason. 56 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said: but despite being your hero, he would be the first to tell you that you're wrong. Augustine also said that if new information came up that showed our interpretations to be wrong, we should be willing to accept it and adjust our interpretations. Nice try, though. 58 minutes ago, RV_Wizard said: And yes, evolution is heresy. I know how much you want to believe that. But the vast majority of the world's Christians don't agree with you. Maybe they're not all out of step with God. Maybe you are. You're not necessarily a heretic, I think you're just so programmed that you can't see anything but what you've been conditioned to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_Wizard Posted March 22 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 773 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 327 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/22/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/05/1962 Share Posted March 22 (edited) 9 hours ago, The Barbarian said: St. Augustine, for example, showed long before that, that the "days" of creation could not be literal ones. He also said that if you don't sprinkle water on a baby's head, and it dies, it goes to hell. 9 hours ago, The Barbarian said: No, you refused to believe what Augustine found. “On the basis of Sacred Scripture, however, we calculate that not even six thousand years have passed since the origin of mankind.” He's YOUR hero. Do you believe him, yes or no? If he was right, EVERYTHING you post about evolution is false. So, do you believe the hero you quote constantly or not? 9 hours ago, The Barbarian said: Augustine also said that if new information came up that showed our interpretations to be wrong, Information such as that the 333 miracles on the Bible aren't scientifically possible? That's not new information. EVERYONE knew they were miracles when they happened. Bogus theories of origination that contradict God's word? Despite his many heresies, Augustine never called the creation outright wrong. 9 hours ago, The Barbarian said: But the vast majority of the world's Christians don't agree with you. Sadly, the vast majority of people who call themselves Christians were never saved; never accepted Christ as their lord and savior. Christ revered the Scriptures as the inspired word of God. He quoted from it constantly. Yet some people who call themselves Christians spend all their time attacking the Bible. Apologetics is the defense of the Bible against those who attack it. You are an attacker. I have my own opinions of things. When I present them as opinions I say as much. When I present Bible quotes I present them as facts. The word of God is indisputable. The King James Bible contains 791,328 words. Since the first King James Bible rolled off the press in 1611 to the King James Bible you buy off the shelf today, there have been - are you ready - there have been a grand total of 421 word changes! That's it! From 1611 until now, the King James Bible has undergone a grand total of 421 word changes, amounting to only five one-hundredths of a percent of the text! But that's not all. It gets better. Out of the 421 total changes amounting to only five one-hundredths of a percent, the following should be noted - TOWARDS has been changed to TOWARD 14 times. BURNT has been changed to BURNED 31 times. AMONGST has been changed to AMONG 36 times. LIFT has been changed to LIFTED 51 times. YOU has been changed to YE 82 times. Out of a grand total of 421 changes from 1611 to the present, almost 300 of the 421 are of this exact nature! Now let’s do the math... By omitting changes of this nature, we now have about 150 (to be conservative) remaining changes. This amounts to one one-hundredth of a percent of the text. The remaining 150 changes from 1611 to today are composed of printing errors, spelling standardization, and a few minor phrase changes. source How much more proof do you need that the Bible you attack at every opportunity is actually the inspired word of God? Edited March 22 by RV_Wizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Barbarian Posted March 22 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,074 Content Per Day: 0.67 Reputation: 970 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 22 2 hours ago, RV_Wizard said: Sadly, the vast majority of people who call themselves Christians were never saved; never accepted Christ as their lord and savior. Because you say so? Only God knows, and you aren't God. This is why you keep trying to put works in His mouth. And the Bible is the word of God. No version of the Bible is God. And you shouldn't worship any of them. Have some humility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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