FJK Posted February 12 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.59 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12 10 minutes ago, The_Patriot21 said: I don't know about that entirely. In the end I'm glad the north won. Slavery needed to go, and the only way it was going to go was by force. Maybe, but there is also the potential is that within the next 10 or so years that farming equipment would become much more effective than slave labor and cost less than maintaining slaves so that there would be no major resistance to abolishing slavery through peaceful means as they would already be be largely obsolete for agricultural use (which is what the vast majority of them were used for). But it didn't go down that way so we'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Patriot21 Posted February 12 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 27 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,715 Content Per Day: 2.45 Reputation: 8,535 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, FJK said: Maybe, but there is also the potential is that within the next 10 or so years that farming equipment would become much more effective than slave labor and cost less than maintaining slaves so that there would be no major resistance to abolishing slavery through peaceful means as they would already be be largely obsolete for agricultural use (which is what the vast majority of them were used for). But it didn't go down that way so we'll never know. No, it wouldn't have otherwise slavery wouldn't still exist. Slavery is a bigger issue now then at any point in human history. Human trafficking has far surpassed the illegal gun trade, and has even surpassed drug smuggling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted February 12 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.59 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12 3 minutes ago, The_Patriot21 said: No, it wouldn't have otherwise slavery wouldn't still exist. Slavery is a bigger issue now then at any point in human history. Oh, that's true (but we keep mention of it hidden from the general public for some reason) but it is no longer something that is legal (just overlooked according to who is practicing it) and isn't used for active slave labor in agriculture nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Patriot21 Posted February 12 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 27 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,715 Content Per Day: 2.45 Reputation: 8,535 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted February 12 1 minute ago, FJK said: Oh, that's true (but we keep mention of it hidden from the general public for some reason) but it is no longer something that is legal (just overlooked according to who is practicing it) and isn't used for active slave labor in agriculture nowadays. Actually they are still used for agriculture as well as other menial jobs in many places. When people hear human trafficking they assume it's all sex or drug mules, and while those are a big part of it, it's not all of it. Slaves for labor are still a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted February 12 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.59 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, The_Patriot21 said: Actually they are still used for agriculture as well as other menial jobs in many places. When people hear human trafficking they assume it's all sex or drug mules, and while those are a big part of it, it's not all of it. Slaves for labor are still a thing. But not legal in most countries (of course, laws only apply to those willing to obey them). There is a great deal of actual open air slave market type of slavery practiced in Islamic Africa, but you will almost never see it talked about in the mainstream of the world and the rarely posted video's of it are completely scrubbed within hours when they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddyv Posted February 12 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,265 Content Per Day: 2.90 Reputation: 2,302 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12 24 minutes ago, FJK said: Maybe, but there is also the potential is that within the next 10 or so years that farming equipment would become much more effective than slave labor and cost less than maintaining slaves so that there would be no major resistance to abolishing slavery through peaceful means as they would already be be largely obsolete for agricultural use (which is what the vast majority of them were used for). But it didn't go down that way so we'll never know. I have read that slavery was on the decrease prior to the war. Ironically, perhaps, the development of the cotton gin led to an increase in the amount and value of slaves as it made cotton a much easier crop to process and led to the rise of the wealth of the South. The failure of the South to diversify it's economy was a contributor to its decline (and Britain also sat out, despite being the primary export country for cotton). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Patriot21 Posted February 12 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 27 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,715 Content Per Day: 2.45 Reputation: 8,535 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted February 12 15 minutes ago, FJK said: But not legal in most countries (of course, laws only apply to those willing to obey them). There is a great deal of actual open air slave market type of slavery practiced in Islamic Africa, but you will almost never see it talked about in the mainstream of the world and the rarely posted video's of it are completely scrubbed within hours when they are. No not legal your right, but my point is technology won't eliminate slavery. There will always be room for cheap labor -and you said it before, people like to control other people. Slavery is the end all for most people who seek power. Their ultimate goal, total control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJK Posted February 12 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 43 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 3,349 Content Per Day: 7.59 Reputation: 1,305 Days Won: 1 Joined: 03/01/2023 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12 19 minutes ago, The_Patriot21 said: Slavery is the end all for most people who seek power. Their ultimate goal, total control. In feudalism, the people belong to the land and the land is owned (or governed) by its feudal lord, if the land changes hand the people go with it. Neo-feudalism is the coming thing, the new form of government that is arising before us, and will subtly replace all existing institutions without our even realizing it before it happens. Something I've thought for years, something I have become more and more convinced of as I have watched world developments over the past decades. But maybe I'm wrong and I will be the one caught by surprise when something different happens instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marathoner Posted February 12 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 73 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,330 Content Per Day: 7.11 Reputation: 13,356 Days Won: 99 Joined: 05/24/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, teddyv said: I have read that slavery was on the decrease prior to the war. Ironically, perhaps, the development of the cotton gin led to an increase in the amount and value of slaves as it made cotton a much easier crop to process and led to the rise of the wealth of the South. The failure of the South to diversify it's economy was a contributor to its decline (and Britain also sat out, despite being the primary export country for cotton). The Confederacy was subject to an effective naval blockade. Great Britain, by this time a very close ally of the United States, refused to violate that blockade. The same applied to France, the other economic market of importance. Both were neutral with regard to the Civil War, and neither recognized the Confederacy as a legimate government. No other nation did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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