PATrobas Posted May 19 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.15 Content Count: 196 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 256 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/07/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 19 3 hours ago, Neighbor said: Hi, I suppose a mindless prayer avails little; except that the Holy Spirit knows the mind heart and spirit of each of those He indwells. The Holy Spirit is able to petition through Yeshua, "in the name of Jesus" if you will, to God the Father of the need and desire of one whose words fail as the heart feels the need to petition the Father. To conclude with I ask "in the name of Jesus" is not a mindless add on. It is at the very least verbal punctation, clarification of one's standing before God, by whom one is heard petitioning to God. It is not a mantra nor is it mindless. Instead it is very articulate and accurate. If "in the name of Jesus" is perceived by another as being mindless I suspect that is a problem of that hearer of the prayer. That problem is a stumbling block not placed there by the person whose prayer acknowledges that it is by the power of Yeshua that the Father hears and acknowledges through His Son Yeshua, all by enlightenment enabled through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. To include in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, is not offensive either. It is humble acknowledgement to God of one's understanding as personally enabled by the Holy Spirit. It may be endorsed or seconded by another or others too. To say it is mindless I think is an error, a failure of the ears and the mind and spirit of a hearer of the prayers to engage along with that person's mind and heart in the prayer. It is not a failure on the part of the speaker of the prayer to say in the name of Jesus. To pray aloud or silently by one's self may also include the acknowledgement to God that one appreciates the awesome sacrifice made by Jesus in their behalf. To come praying in the name of Jesus is a high honor extended by God's will alone, a privilege extended by merciful God to those that do so through the enabling of the Holy Spirit knowing that Yeshua is Lord, God, and personal savior. Pray however you want, saying 'in Jesus' name' or not, it is indeed the Holy Spirit who brings our prayers to Jesus, and Jesus who knows the mind of the Spirit and then makes intercession to the Father for us. I didn't say that saying the words 'in Jesus' name' makes it mindless, I said to do so mindlessly without understanding of what 'in His name' means is fruitless and too many Christians do so without understanding. I was merely clarifying that fact, not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sower Posted May 19 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 14 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,290 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,909 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/09/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted May 19 First you say; 4 hours ago, Neighbor said: Way too many of us have far too many rules of order for others to seek and receive God and His blessings. All any really need do is If I remember right, Neighbor, you don't like it when other posters use the words "we/us" Then you say "Way too many of us have far too many rules of order" Your conversation with God is private, between God and yourself. Your own personal rules. cool.. I'm sure it sounds nothing like my nine year old grand daughter whispering to the Father. She hasn't learned any rules yet.... I agree with Pat; On 5/17/2024 at 1:00 PM, PATrobas said: Prayer is communicating with our creator, I can walk and talk to God. Don't know if in talking and walking is officially praying, but it is communicating. I communicate with him throughout the day. I often purposely stop and get more serious when I ask something of him. I 'petition' him concerning a need that may pop up in my head. Or remembering someone in need of a healing/need. Too casual?? I can speak freely with someone I trust. I do not always add the "in Jesus name" to 'legitimize' my request. Yet I believe the father hears, IF my request is in his will. His will may be to take that loved one home that I'm praying for healing. God's will be done, (on earth as it is in heaven) and to God be the glory. I too think many use the phrase 'in Jesus name' causally without thinking about it. Habit. (some habits are good) I have often even ended my prayers by purposely saying 'Lord I pray these things in the name of thine only begotten son, in whom you are well pleased, Jesus, by his worth and merit I pray these things. Hoping somehow to add some reverence or earnestness to get his attention and better my chances to receive my request. Forgetting he already knows my wicked heart. I agree with him. But I know he loves me anyway. For myself, I'd rather pray often though I may make a few blunders. And honesty be supreme. Than pray less least I transgress a forgotten policy. Thanks Neighbor, Pat... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted May 19 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 967 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,845 Content Per Day: 5.06 Reputation: 9,205 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted May 19 I thought about the comment that concluding with "in the name of Jesus" being a mindless exercise as "we" corporately sang King of Kings today. The oft repeated chorus ; CHORUS Praise the Father Praise the Son Praise the Spirit three in one God of glory Majesty Praise forever to the King of Kings Repeated as chorus bridging between stanzas, somehow it didn't seem to be mindless, instead was a most aesomely joyous acknowledgement of an awesome God. Father Son and Holy Spirit. Three in one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted May 19 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 967 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,845 Content Per Day: 5.06 Reputation: 9,205 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted May 19 5 hours ago, Sower said: If I remember right, Neighbor, you don't like it when other posters use the words "we/us" Then you say "Way too many of us have far too many rules of order" Yes I did. Shame on me, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sower Posted May 19 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 14 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,290 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,909 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/09/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted May 19 16 minutes ago, Neighbor said: Yes I did. Shame on me, eh? Well spoken!... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted May 20 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 967 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,845 Content Per Day: 5.06 Reputation: 9,205 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted May 20 13 hours ago, Sower said: Well spoken!... LOL! Actually there is a technical difference in that what I object to is the presumptive use of we where the author presumes to speak for many as in we all think, or real Christians think this or that. To observe individually that there are many that post rules for others to follow is a different animal in that it is one person's observation being declared, right or wrong it is the conclusion of one person . It does not presume to speak for other people. None the less I appreciate the heads up! For I do try to make sure I do not fall into the trap of declaring for all of Christianity what is believed by all "true" Christians, nor what is the correctness of a position using "we" or "all of us think" as a supporting leg. I do try to kick that one out from under me in any of my own posts. My conclusions are my own, and I should not declare they are also conclusions of others in order to ty to gain credibility for my conclusions. I say that thinking thoughtfully upon "Praise the Father, Praise the Son, Praise the Spirit, three in one"; and as many a priest and pastor might begin and end their presentations "In the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit", a solemn declarative phrase, one not mindlessly spoken, but a familiar and important distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted May 20 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 967 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,845 Content Per Day: 5.06 Reputation: 9,205 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted May 20 On 5/17/2024 at 2:00 PM, PATrobas said: Prayer is something we take for granted as a part of being a Christian, but sadly, we tend to talk about prayer more than we pray. Going back to the original OP my response is nope and nope, count me out of that one please. It is a presumption not in play, least not for me, and as to the who what when where and how? Again nope. My own model for prayer may allow for it to be be as quick as the twinkling of an eye without an audible word. It may be as quick as a plea of Help! Or it may be the plea for understanding and for personal application of a portion of the Word of God, that I apply it in a manner that honors the glory that is Yeshua my Lord and savior. What it is not is a formula with rules of order that another person will have me to follow or that I will have another to follow. Shortest prayer recorded in the Bible is supposedly Lord Help Me! While the longest is "Father, the hour has come; glorify thy Son that the Son may glorify thee, since thou hast given him power over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom thou hast given him. And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. I glorified thee on earth, having accomplished the work which thou gavest me to do; and now, Father, glorify thou me in thy own presence with the glory which I had with thee before the world was made. I have manifested thy name to the men whom thou gavest me out of the world; thine they were, and thou gavest them to me, and they have kept thy word. Now they know that everything that thou hast given me is from thee; for I have given them the words which thou gavest me, and they have received them and know in truth that I came from thee; and they have believed that thou didst send me." As to the time spent in prayer, I do think that to do all that is done ( Whatever it may be) to the glory of God, in the name of the the Son through the enabling of the Holy Spirit, makes prayer a 24/7 proposition as all will be done prayerfully to that purpose. There being no off switch nor on switch either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATrobas Posted May 20 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.15 Content Count: 196 Content Per Day: 0.50 Reputation: 256 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/07/2023 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 20 3 hours ago, Neighbor said: Going back to the original OP my response is nope and nope, count me out of that one please. It is a presumption not in play, least not for me, and as to the who what when where and how? Again nope Well neighbor, I am guilty of saying we when I should say 'I'. But I haven't reached your level of spirituality and am convicted by the HS of not following through in prayer as much as I profess when I tell someone "I'll pray for you." then am reminded at a future time that I have not. Or when someone has presented a prayer request and then at a future time tells me "Thanks for praying for me!" and sadly I have not. I agree with your assessment of not having a formula for prayer. I was merely giving an outline of things perhaps not thought of by some. Bottom line is I should pray more than I do. I have not forgotten Colossians 3:17 because I understand that it is because Philippians 2:13 is being accomplished in me. In Jesus' name, Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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