Giaour Posted November 16, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Well, I live in a dry county with southern baptists everywhere. They might get more than they bargained with here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
book_wirm Posted November 17, 2005 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 219 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 16 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/28/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 17, 2005 Well, I live in a dry county with southern baptists everywhere. So you've noticed how dry Southern Baptists are too, huh? (No offense is meant by this. I attend a SB church) But some thoughts on the whole issue... I smell alot of paranoia and misplaced anger in this thread. Are we seriously angry because Wal-Mart is adopting a more "all inclusive" philosophy to the season? That is what they do...make people want to buy things from them. If it bothers you, I completely support you in boycotting them. I won't join you in it, but I admire your conviction. Anyway... We have to say "Happy Holidays" because... You and I both know no one is making you say anything. But what they do on their private property is their business. "Tolerance" is not a one-way street. Which could be evidenced by the fact that they do not offer you a happy Kwanzaa/Hannukka when you enter their store. They offer you a watered down "all inclusive" Happy Holiday...leaving it to you to fill in the holiday of your choice. They are not offending our faith by refusing to recognize it exclusively but rather are inluding other's in their greeting. The Muslims, and Atheists are not going to define our Christmas observance. And you honestly believe Wal-Mart's greeting is an attempt to control how you observe Christmas?!? We will just continue saying Merry Christmas, and remind corporate America that WE are the ones who keep them in business. Along with the Muslims, Athiests, and "Christians" who are not really Christians. This is not to mention the other smaller faiths/cults in this country. They are here for us... Do you really mean Wal-Mart is here for Christian consumers? I hope that was not what you intended. I hope you mean Wal-Mart is here for whoever is willing to buy their merchandise. In Christ, Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 QUOTE(shiloh357 @ Nov 11 2005, 09:56 PM) We have to say "Happy Holidays" because... You and I both know no one is making you say anything. But what they do on their private property is their business. They are making their Christian employees conform to a Christless Holiday greeting. BTW, they are a business they want customers, so it is not "their business" how they want to do things. If they want the patronage, then it is our business too. QUOTE(shiloh357 @ Nov 11 2005, 09:56 PM) "Tolerance" is not a one-way street. Which could be evidenced by the fact that they do not offer you a happy Kwanzaa/Hannukka when you enter their store. They offer you a watered down "all inclusive" Happy Holiday...leaving it to you to fill in the holiday of your choice. They are not offending our faith by refusing to recognize it exclusively but rather are inluding other's in their greeting. No, but it is "Merry Christmas" that is specifically being forbidden on the grounds that it offends someone else that someone would mention Christ at all. That is where the intolerance lies. Christmas is a Christian holiday for all intents and purposes, and they are taking a stand not acknolwedge it. QUOTE(shiloh357 @ Nov 11 2005, 09:56 PM) The Muslims, and Atheists are not going to define our Christmas observance. And you honestly believe Wal-Mart's greeting is an attempt to control how you observe Christmas?!? No, but what we have is a relatively small minority of Americans who are reportedly offended if they see or hear anything Christian, and to appease this small minority, the rest of us now are faced withbe limited with the kinds of decorations we can have at Christmas at work, how we greet each other. A store I used to work at would not play any religious Christmas carols, because someone might (gasp!) hear the song. I see us heading in a particular direction where Christmas will be completely secularized and any public display of Christ will be socially unacceptable. QUOTE(shiloh357 @ Nov 11 2005, 09:56 PM) We will just continue saying Merry Christmas, and remind corporate America that WE are the ones who keep them in business. Along with the Muslims, Athiests, and "Christians" who are not really Christians. This is not to mention the other smaller faiths/cults in this country. No, because most of them to do "Christmas shop." It is specifically the Christmas shoppers who celebrate the holiday who boost a store's bottom line. They are depending on Christmas to give them a healthy profit margin. So, it makes little sense to tell Christans we are going to forbid your religion from expressing itself during the Christmas season. It makes no sense to offend Christians, and tell them that their Savior is not worth acknowledging while expecting them to come in and boost sales. QUOTE(shiloh357 @ Nov 11 2005, 09:56 PM) They are here for us... Do you really mean Wal-Mart is here for Christian consumers? I hope that was not what you intended. I hope you mean Wal-Mart is here for whoever is willing to buy their merchandise. At Christmas time, they are here for us, Christians. They depend on us to buy their goods as a way of honoring our Savior the most precious gift God gave to us. They depend on us for their bottom line. If they want our money, they had better step and fetch. They should be rolling out the red carpet and have Jesus all over their stores, instead of telling us that our Savior isn't worth the effort to say "Merry Christmas." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bad biker Posted November 19, 2005 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 107 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/15/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 19, 2005 This passed weekend I heard some encouraging news on the radio related to this topic. They were talking about how a retail chain was going to be using "Merry Christmas" on all its promotional stuff. I was encouraged to see a few chain stores going against the grain. I too will be keeping my eyes open in Wal-mart to see what they are and arent selling. As for boycotting Wal-mart, I already try to spend as little money at their stores as it is. I have a nice new Target Supercenter close by and I will buy all I can through them. I remember all the long discussions we had on the board last Christmas. It seems to me this year that more people will be paying attention this year. That is a nice new Target here in BR, O'Danny. But we have to boycott it too because they don't allow the Salvation Army bellringers to be in front of their store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 QUOTE(shiloh357 @ Nov 11 2005, 09:56 PM) They are here for us... Do you really mean Wal-Mart is here for Christian consumers? I hope that was not what you intended. I hope you mean Wal-Mart is here for whoever is willing to buy their merchandise. At Christmas time, they are here for us, Christians. They depend on us to buy their goods as a way of honoring our Savior the most precious gift God gave to us. They depend on us for their bottom line. If they want our money, they had better step and fetch. They should be rolling out the red carpet and have Jesus all over their stores, instead of telling us that our Savior isn't worth the effort to say "Merry Christmas." "They depend on us to buy their goods as a way of honoring our Savior." Believe me, you have some serious issues other than not being allowed to say Merry Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted November 21, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted November 21, 2005 So, when it becomes illegal to even speak the name of Jesus in public, you're going to be OK with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted November 21, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted November 21, 2005 Walmart buys their stuff from slave laborers in China (who, btw, most of the slave are convicted Christians)......yet we get upset and dedicate a three page topic cause they don't say "Merry Christmas"? Priorities.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacob Posted November 22, 2005 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 68 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/08/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 22, 2005 My wife and I already boycott Wal-Mart as much as possible!!! This is just another reason. Go to thier store late at night. CHINA is written so often on so many boxes it's really GROSS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted November 22, 2005 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted November 22, 2005 It's not paranoia - it's observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie Posted November 22, 2005 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,026 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/13/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted November 22, 2005 It sounds as if you are afraid that your God will be taken away. I believe that God should be far, far away from everything political and commercial.... The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. Psalm 9:17 If seeing God get kicked out of society doesn't make you mad and you call yourself a christian, then check your pulse because you must be dead. Theres countless verses in the Bible that tells us what happens to nations that forget God. Christians aren't to roll over and play dead in society unless we want to find ourselves neck deep in sin and depravation. We need to be active in all levels of life including government and commercial levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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