cjrose Posted May 29, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,580 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/13/1960 Share Posted May 29, 2006 I was always lead to believe that those who accept Christ as their personal Savior while on this earth before the 7 year tribulation will be raptured and not have to go through the 7 years of hell on earth. Just recently speaking with a fellow Christian, his belief is that we will be raptured at the end of the tribulation to spend the 1000 years of peace on earth. That is if we survive and don't take the mark or get be-headed in Christs name. Which I would gladly and most humbly do for an eternity with our Lord in Heaven. Can anyone shed some insight? Where in the bible does it say before, during or after? I'm a revelations freak and I can seem to find it. Blessings, Cjrose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Dillard Posted May 30, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 233 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/08/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/06/1987 Share Posted May 30, 2006 Hmm I don't know a specific verse either but ya you are right the rapture starts the 7 years of tribulation, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jckduboise Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 I was always lead to believe that those who accept Christ as their personal Savior while on this earth before the 7 year tribulation will be raptured and not have to go through the 7 years of hell on earth. Just recently speaking with a fellow Christian, his belief is that we will be raptured at the end of the tribulation to spend the 1000 years of peace on earth. That is if we survive and don't take the mark or get be-headed in Christs name. Which I would gladly and most humbly do for an eternity with our Lord in Heaven. Can anyone shed some insight? Where in the bible does it say before, during or after? I'm a revelations freak and I can seem to find it. Blessings, Cjrose Well I hate to be the one to break it to you but you will not find any scripture that actually says we will be raptured. there are verses that talking about removing us from the earth as we know it but when is not entirely clear. There are numerous threads that show this is so. I personally do not believe the Church/saints will be here to experience the tribulation others do. My suggestion to you is to read and reread the book of Revelations and ask God to give you clarity. He pointed me to what I was asking about and it is in the 7th and 8th chapters, you will also find that the letter to the Angel of the Church of Philladelphia says that those who endure will be kept from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. 3:10 and 11 (please note he says for those who live on the earth, as if saying that they will not be present for this)..I believe we are being told we will not have to endure and will be caught up into the sky before the hour of trial (tribulation)..others feel that they are being told they will simply be kept from any agony placed on the earth from the bowls of wrath. Those (some) who do not believe there will be a pre-trib rapture believe that the rapture will occur at the 2nd coming of Christ. Please take time to read the 7th and 8th chapters. They may be insightful for you and your questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Times Posted May 30, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 157 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/23/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/13/1946 Share Posted May 30, 2006 I was always lead to believe that those who accept Christ as their personal Savior while on this earth before the 7 year tribulation will be raptured and not have to go through the 7 years of hell on earth. Just recently speaking with a fellow Christian, his belief is that we will be raptured at the end of the tribulation to spend the 1000 years of peace on earth. That is if we survive and don't take the mark or get be-headed in Christs name. Which I would gladly and most humbly do for an eternity with our Lord in Heaven. Can anyone shed some insight? Where in the bible does it say before, during or after? I'm a revelations freak and I can seem to find it. Blessings, Cjrose The reason I believe true believers will not go thru the tribulation is that the church is not mentioned after Rev. 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jckduboise Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 I was always lead to believe that those who accept Christ as their personal Savior while on this earth before the 7 year tribulation will be raptured and not have to go through the 7 years of hell on earth. Just recently speaking with a fellow Christian, his belief is that we will be raptured at the end of the tribulation to spend the 1000 years of peace on earth. That is if we survive and don't take the mark or get be-headed in Christs name. Which I would gladly and most humbly do for an eternity with our Lord in Heaven. Can anyone shed some insight? Where in the bible does it say before, during or after? I'm a revelations freak and I can seem to find it. Blessings, Cjrose The reason I believe true believers will not go thru the tribulation is that the church is not mentioned after Rev. 4. You say true believers, who are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crab3 Posted May 30, 2006 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 75 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/13/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/15/1982 Share Posted May 30, 2006 'times,' the church is referred to after rev 4, read on and notice terms like 'the elect. i am of the mind that we will be here for some of the tribulation, though not all of it. i'll study more, post from scripture...... crabs><> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjrose Posted May 30, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,580 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/13/1960 Author Share Posted May 30, 2006 Thanks all for your input and the website provided looks pretty thorough. I'll have to check it out and do more reading. I choose to believe that because of our faithfulness that the Lord won't put us through the hardship of the 7 years. There may not be reference regarding when the rapture will happen but the Lord is good to those who are faithful and love Him. I can't see him putting us through the hell that is to reign on earth. Either that or he will protect us. What about the 144,000 Jews that will have the mark of Christ on their foreheads? If He protects the Jews, why wouldn't He protect the ones who have actually made the choice to follow him. Free will. Our choice to accept Him. I can't see a loving God putting us through the ultimate test, or will He to deem us worthy of His Kingdom? Blessings, Cjrose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jckduboise Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 Thanks all for your input and the website provided looks pretty thorough. I'll have to check it out and do more reading. I choose to believe that because of our faithfulness that the Lord won't put us through the hardship of the 7 years. There may not be reference regarding when the rapture will happen but the Lord is good to those who are faithful and love Him. I can't see him putting us through the hell that is to reign on earth. Either that or he will protect us. What about the 144,000 Jews that will have the mark of Christ on their foreheads? If He protects the Jews, why wouldn't He protect the ones who have actually made the choice to follow him. Free will. Our choice to accept Him. I can't see a loving God putting us through the ultimate test, or will He to deem us worthy of His Kingdom? Blessings, Cjrose And I agree wholeheartedly with what you say. I have read further into the book of Revelations and do see other references to the 'saints' which is us also. All of us. So these saints are they saints that chose Christ as the wrath falls and they turn to Him because they finally believe or are they the saints that do not get to be raptured before the tribulation.. all we can really do is surmise (sp) what will occur and keep our hope in God that He will spare us from the horror. And yes if He keeps us here I would imagine that He will protect us as well....This protection is from the Anti-Christ and the bowls of wrath that kill..this may not mean protection from persecution and death of our bodies..remember If you are to be imprisoned to prison you will go, if you are to die by the sword, by the sword you will die. But eternal life we are given regardless of how the end is on earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted May 31, 2006 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 2 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,073 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 43 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/02/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/10/1923 Share Posted May 31, 2006 I was always lead to believe that those who accept Christ as their personal Savior while on this earth before the 7 year tribulation will be raptured and not have to go through the 7 years of hell on earth. Just recently speaking with a fellow Christian, his belief is that we will be raptured at the end of the tribulation to spend the 1000 years of peace on earth. That is if we survive and don't take the mark or get be-headed in Christs name. Which I would gladly and most humbly do for an eternity with our Lord in Heaven. Can anyone shed some insight? Where in the bible does it say before, during or after? I'm a revelations freak and I can seem to find it. Blessings, Cjrose The reason I believe true believers will not go thru the tribulation is that the church is not mentioned after Rev. 4. You say true believers, who are they? I have to ask the same question. Who are the true believers? People think all they have to do is recite some sort of sinners prayer and they are saved. Not so. Matt.7:21. Not all those who say to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of the heavens, only those that do the will of My Father Who is in the heavens. If you don't keep the commitment you make to the Father, how can you expect Him to ignore you when you do things of your own will. As you can see I am not a OSAS believer. God will keep His end of His promise, but He expects you to keep up your end, by doing His will. eg. If people think they can go to church on Sunday morning and spend sunday afternoon surfing porn web sites,they had better think again. Mind you that's only an example I'm not suggesting anyone does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jckduboise Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 I was always lead to believe that those who accept Christ as their personal Savior while on this earth before the 7 year tribulation will be raptured and not have to go through the 7 years of hell on earth. Just recently speaking with a fellow Christian, his belief is that we will be raptured at the end of the tribulation to spend the 1000 years of peace on earth. That is if we survive and don't take the mark or get be-headed in Christs name. Which I would gladly and most humbly do for an eternity with our Lord in Heaven. Can anyone shed some insight? Where in the bible does it say before, during or after? I'm a revelations freak and I can seem to find it. Blessings, Cjrose The reason I believe true believers will not go thru the tribulation is that the church is not mentioned after Rev. 4. You say true believers, who are they? I have to ask the same question. Who are the true believers? People think all they have to do is recite some sort of sinners prayer and they are saved. Not so. Matt.7:21. Not all those who say to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of the heavens, only those that do the will of My Father Who is in the heavens. If you don't keep the commitment you make to the Father, how can you expect Him to ignore you when you do things of your own will. As you can see I am not a OSAS believer. God will keep His end of His promise, but He expects you to keep up your end, by doing His will. eg. If people think they can go to church on Sunday morning and spend sunday afternoon surfing porn web sites,they had better think again. Mind you that's only an example I'm not suggesting anyone does it. we really need clapping hands bb's don't you think..I too believe there is more to our commitment and covenant with God. And I too believe that we can lose our salvation. But on to the subject eric. Where do you stand with the concept of Rapture. If you have told me before I have forgotten and would like to hear it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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