Faith1 Posted September 29, 2003 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 891 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 55 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/25/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 29, 2003 Sagz: I hope this gets specific enough for you....I am praying... Great post Sagz - I'll go have wee look at those myself for more info on these CULTS - I'll be praying as well Safe in Him Faith1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted October 1, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 1, 2003 I remember watching that video a few years ago. Jesse himself stated in one part of the video that when we die, we don't go to heaven right just yet, but that our souls will be raptured later during rapture. Fine, whatever. However, also in the same video, while speaking of his visit in heaven, he saw a family that had died in an airplane crash going on a picnic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted October 1, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 1, 2003 Wow. I didn't know that much about WOF but thought their claims about wealth and money were odd and unfounded. I'll have to look into this further. My brother-in-law happens to be a WOF pastor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagz4Christ Posted October 1, 2003 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 511 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/18/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/08/1975 Share Posted October 1, 2003 artsy, I never thought much about WOF until I got here. Then I started reading what Gary and Patsy (shadow and dove) were saying about them. I read that they had a video of Copeland giving the sign of satan and his *talking in tounges* was actually calling out to the devil. To be honest, I haven't run across that so I can't really tell you from first hand experience or not. BUT, knowing what I know of the both of them, and learning what I have about WOF on my own leads me to believe that what they say is safe to believe, though incredibly scary to comprehend. I posted the links out of love and a desire for you to see the truth. I have just one more quote to give you: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted October 1, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 1, 2003 That's some scary stuff. What's the sign of satan that Copeland did? I also heard he said by accident during one of his fired-up sermons "god-dammit!" Question: Do you think these top guys like Copeland honestly believe that what they are doing is right and good, or do you think they're aware of their deceit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagz4Christ Posted October 1, 2003 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 511 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/18/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/08/1975 Share Posted October 1, 2003 I wish I knew. I can't imagine that they are THAT decieved that they think they are doing right...though I am in no position to give you a correct answer. All I can do it help spread the truth about this movement and expose the lies that these people spread. I don't know how much your brother-in-law knows about the stuff going on up at the top, but I leave you telling him about this up to you. All you can do is like any of us...expose the Truth...I urge you to check things out for yourself though and gain an honest understanding of what they teach in WoF. Here is a good place to start: In Their Own Words Third Wave Teachings By Topic Atonement Atrocities (Tritheism) Jesus was infected/injected with satan's sin nature in order for redemption to work The cross wasn't enough, Jesus redeemed us in hell Jesus died spiritually Jesus was the first born again man Anyone could have redeemed us The 9-godhead doctrine The Power of Man over God The church is in control, not God God is banned from the earth until the church unleashes him/allows him in These men think they're Gods! The Anointing TBN to raise the dead through the TV Health is yours for the claiming Never say "Thy Will be Done"! You ARE Jesus! Extortion Gimme money! Jesus was wealthy and had an expensive ministry The power of the prayer cloth The 100 fold theory The kingdom of God is on earth The importance of earthly riches Results of lack of faith Above Reproach Above Reproach - testing their spirits False Prophesies Death Threats (No, I'm not kidding) Gnostic Mishmash 4th Dimension of non-carnal attainment The faith force The Second Coming is spiritual, not physical Words are spiritual containers Sensual manifestations Visual empowerment Salvation Aberrant Doctrines Ecumenicalism Demons Necromancy Jesus didn't preexist his role on earth God is the biggest failure in the bible I'm sinfree! Holy Ghost Bartender/Holy Laughter Too Strange to Categorize Angels tell me what to say Jesus was raped by Roman soldiers Jesus to appear physically on stage God's physical description The Womb-Man God lives on the mother planet Adam was a superman and the first man on the moon I have met and/or spoken to Jesus Rejoice in satanic manifestations All these are quotes from various WoF teachers. Go here to view the active links: http://www.bereanfaith.com/heresy.php?action=topics Hope this helps you get started ~your servant in Christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted October 2, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 2, 2003 Sagz: Thanks for the info. It's all looking familiar to me now. Quite a few years ago, my husband started listening to Hank Hannegraff and tried to get my sis and brother-in-law to read Christianity in Crisis, which seems to state a lot of these kinds of things and they wanted no part of it. My brother-in-law doesn't like Hank and I doubt he's picked up the book. I think he knows what the accusations are but chooses to defend them. Recently, he sent us an email stating that Hank had been accused of this and that, as if to say, "ha, look at this idiot" however he obviously ignores what his own leaders are doing. We kind of dropped the subject years ago, but now I'm concerned about this stuff regarding kids and exorcisions as I do have neices and nephews. I think I'll check out the WOF board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PDC Posted October 3, 2003 Share Posted October 3, 2003 Abbershay I too was a WOF follower, Copeland and all of them. Then The Holy Spirit started showing me some of the preaching that did not stand up to Biblical Doctrine when taken from Genesis to revelation. This happened because some brothers and sisters in The Lord warned me to proceed with caution. That took me to a very lengthy prayer time with The Holy Spirit over a period of months about the issue. I sincerely believed that they were true men of God and it was hard to accept the fact that they were deceived. I believe that they don't know they are deceived. If I am wrong about that then I really feel sorry for them because that means they are merchandising Gods word, and mixing enough Truth into false doctrine to fool God's children, and God does not look kindly on that kind of falsehood. Don't react to what some of us are telling you. Respond by seeking God on the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted October 5, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted October 5, 2003 Would someone please explain when one of these guys gestures a 'sign to satan" what this looks like? Are there any pictures available of this? If the preacher was talking in tongues to Satan, how did you know how to interpret it? This is just a bit confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catsmeow Posted October 5, 2003 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 439 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 7,315 Content Per Day: 0.93 Reputation: 356 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/21/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted October 5, 2003 Hi, artsylady... The "sign of Satan" is a hand signal that has the general outline of a goat's head, a satanic symbol, (which is featured on the cover of many Satanic bibles)....usually shown within the context of a pentagram. The "star" form in the pentagram forms an outline for the goat's head. The actual hand sign is the hand pointed upward, with the two center fingers folded down, and the pinky finger and index finger upright. This "sign" is frequently given at rock concerts and ignorantly adopted by many of the youth of today. Few realize that the sign is Satanic. I believe it was highly promoted by famous Satanic rocker, Marilyn Manson. Other heavy metal rock groups use this hand sign during heavy metal concerts and the audience joins in and also waves this sign, not knowing what it really means. Those in ministry usually know are have some awareness of Satanic symbols and would tend to avoid such hand signals. It is believed that 33rd degree masons (Masonic Lodge) are practicing Luciferians (Satanists) and use various hand signs to indicate their covert alliance with Satan. Hope this helps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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