O'Dannyboy Posted July 2, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 156 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,454 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/22/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1969 Share Posted July 2, 2006 I would agree with you to some degree when it comes to people simply caught up in the homosexual lifestyle, but not in regard to activists. These people are not like the average sinner who is ashamed of his wrong doing. They are "proud" of their sin. I don't see drunkards, adulterers, thieves, porno addicts, liars, etc. not only guilty of sin, but proud of their sins to such a degree they march in the streets to celebrate it. When it comes to homosexual activists, I take back nothing I said. If you are talking about people who are simply caught up in this sin and ashamed, I wasn't refering to them in the first place. What are your thoughts on Mardi Gras? Every conceivable sin is flaunted in that celebration. Girls lift up their shirts to show off their breasts. Men pull down their pants to show what they have. People walk around drunk & with more alcohol in their hands, etc, etc., etc.... The Mardi Gras celebration was not created as a venue for debauchery even though it has become rampant and accepted, by some, as part of it. The purpose of "Gay Pride" parades is to endorse, if not promote, the homosexual lifestyle. As if the sin of homosexuality were not grievous enough, they have pride in it. Of all sins God hates pride the most. I will not assume to speak for the rest of Christiandom, but my only problem with homosexuals their demanding social equality and acceptance. By this I am speaking of Gay marriage. Marriage is a sacred covenant between God, a man and a woman. These days, society views marriage as little more than a legal contract. This has caused some to believe, falsely, that a "marriage" between two people of the same sex would be no different. While I would not begrudge homosexual "couples" some of the "legal" rights that have been afforded married couples, I am strongly against allowing same sex "marriages". That being said, I would not oppose state sanctioned partnerships (unions) as long as they were not equated to a marriage. Many Christians disagree with me on this, but this is the only fair and acceptable solution I can see to this. Getting to the point, most Christians, as I see it, have no beef with homosexuals except that homosexuals insist on flaunting their lifestyle. One thing we as Christians cannot afford to do is allow society to think that we condone such behavior. In our efforts to prevent society from getting the idea that we do, some have taken it a bit personal. Believe it or not, there are some homosexuals that are actively working to promote homosexuality among the youth of our nation. There have even been instances where childrens books that talk of princes falling in love with other princes have been read to school children. Events like this are often viewed as attacks and only serve to anger those whose acceptance they are seeking to win. The gay community speaks conveniently of tolerance and then insist on being in the public eye. The thing about tolerance is that those things people learn to tolerate are not usually optional. They don't have a choice in the matter. Many people learn to tolerate migraines and others tolerate other painfull conditions. I can tolerate homosexuality, but I do not consider it to be normal or acceptable and do no wish to see society do so either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest God's Chosen Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 As I was reading this thread I was amazed at the amount of self-righteousness displayed by some. We have folks saying what sins God think are the worst, we have others that show a complete lack of compassion for sinners, we have someone categorizing people as average sinners (whatever that means). I think mrcorey was correct in his post. No sin is worse than the other and as far as them flaunting the sin with parades and such, don't we all flaunt our sin at one time or another? We may not be waving banners or marching with a band, but our actions are seen by the world, whether we realize it or not. As the Bible says, there is none righteous, no not one. That includes every person on this board. Jesus is love and compassion. We must reach the lost with His love first, not His judgement. Those are just my thoughts. God Bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Durnan Posted July 18, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 121 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,782 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 49 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/14/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 18, 2006 Well, truth to tell, BOTH Christ-like LOVE for the sinner ("For God so loved the world..."), and outright CONDEMNATION of the sin ('reprove the unfruitful works of darkness!"...IE, literal, "rebuke to their face") go together in Christian life & witness. Homosexuals need to know of God's tremendous love and also of the medical fact that the preference of homosexuality can be overcomes thru faith in Jesus' strong Name. As I mentioned earlier, NARTH.ORG is living proof of the latter. Also EXODUS NORTH AMERICA is another. http://narth.org http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Perhaps we could get them to go march in Kiryot Shmona............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest God's Chosen Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Well, truth to tell, BOTH Christ-like LOVE for the sinner ("For God so loved the world..."), and outright CONDEMNATION of the sin ('reprove the unfruitful works of darkness!"...IE, literal, "rebuke to their face") go together in Christian life & witness. Homosexuals need to know of God's tremendous love and also of the medical fact that the preference of homosexuality can be overcomes thru faith in Jesus' strong Name. As I mentioned earlier, NARTH.ORG is living proof of the latter. Also EXODUS NORTH AMERICA is another. http://narth.org http://arthurdurnan.freeyellow.com I agree that as Christians we should condem sin, but there are loving and compassionate ways of doing that, as shown by Jesus' examples in the Bible. That was my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tah Posted July 19, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 105 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,131 Content Per Day: 0.45 Reputation: 126 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/12/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted July 19, 2006 As I was reading this thread I was amazed at the amount of self-righteousness displayed by some. We have folks saying what sins God think are the worst, we have others that show a complete lack of compassion for sinners, we have someone categorizing people as average sinners (whatever that means). I think mrcorey was correct in his post. No sin is worse than the other and as far as them flaunting the sin with parades and such, don't we all flaunt our sin at one time or another? We may not be waving banners or marching with a band, but our actions are seen by the world, whether we realize it or not. As the Bible says, there is none righteous, no not one. That includes every person on this board. Jesus is love and compassion. We must reach the lost with His love first, not His judgement. Those are just my thoughts. God Bless. I was reading and responding to another post this morning and this Scripture came to mind... It has been on my mind in several threads I have read today.. This one very much so... Jesus said this .... Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. That sounds like a pretty serious threat of terrible consequences for hurting a little one... That is the love of God at work too...the compassion was for the children ...not for the ones who were sinning against them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Dannyboy Posted July 21, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 156 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,454 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/22/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1969 Share Posted July 21, 2006 Top Ten Reasons Gay Marriage Is Wrong 1. Being gay is not natural. And as you know Americans have always rejected unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning. How are eyeglasses or airconditioning unnatural? Just because they are not organic does not make them unnatural. They are used for what they were created. A mans reproductive organ was not meant to enter another man. It's pretty simple. 2. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall. You can't say that if you were hanging around tall people all the time that at some point you wouldn't wish you were tall too. Noone is saying that gay marriage would MAKE other people gay, it would only be giving homosexuality societies stamp of aproval and I think that is the wrong message to be sending. 3. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because, as you know, a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract. Marriage is not simply a contract. But if you want to use descrimination and privacy protection as your excuse to justify same sex marriage then by effect, people would also be permitted to marry animals if they so chose. 4. Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal. 5. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed. The sanctity of Britany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed. So because marriage is already being abused we should allow other kinds or abuses and abominations? 6. Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children. Homosexuality is not a medical problem nor is it a result of old age. Keep pretending you are a victim and you will be victimised as a natural response. 7. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children. Not quite, but the same scenario would indeed play out in reverse, only a homosexual couple would have the rare cases where their children would somehow manage to be straight despite the parents best efforts. 8. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America. Now thats just moronic. If you don't like it you can always move somewhere where homosexuality is accepted. Untill then, majority rules, especially in a democracy. 9. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children. It's not forbidden, it's just not healthy. Thats really a lame excuse. Children grow up without limbs but that doesn't mean they should have to or that it would be the best thing for them. It has nothing to do with their being a success, it's about quality of life. 10. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans. Do you actually think that homosexuallity ranks up there with such discoveries as the wheel, fire, or electricity? While a social norm can be ajdusted to, as you point out, none of those you mention are foundational elements. The man woman relationship is considered the foundation of our society because if you were to drop a man and a woman on a deserted island they could repopulate. No electricity, no service sector economy or cars. The same could not be said for two men or two women. This is why it's considered a foundation of society and not considered simply a social norm or popular opinion. Makes perfect sense to me. How about you? None of these cut and paste statements makes any sense unless you are on a mission to promote homosexuality as normal or socially acceptable. You accuse Chrisitians of trying to force our religion on the rest of society when you yourself are doing the very same thing by asking society to be more "tolerant" and accepting of your lifestyle. Why not let society decide what is the norm and what is acceptable? As long as homosexuals are trying to redefine "social norms" you can bet that we will be there to defend Gods word and, if nothing else, the status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneB Posted July 21, 2006 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 232 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 7,261 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 79 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/19/1959 Share Posted July 21, 2006 River, How ya' doing? I haven't seen you around in quite awhile. I hope all is well with you. Love ya' man! Saints, Let's keep the discussion civil AND clean. We have young folks here so keep the exchange of ideas and beliefs on the high ground. Okay? May the Lord Bless you all richly, Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traveller Posted July 21, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 827 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 12,101 Content Per Day: 1.50 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 04/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted July 21, 2006 River! Long time no see brother! How ya been? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Dannyboy Posted July 21, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 156 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,454 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/22/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1969 Share Posted July 21, 2006 River Forgive my brash behavior. My comments were meant only for those people who support the statements made in your post. You failed to use any emotes which made it impossible to pick up on any sarcasm, if that was indeed how you meant to come across. My comments, however, were not meant to be an attack on anyone but rather an agressive defense of what I believe and what I understand Christianity to support. The person who wrote those statements in defense of homosexuality was definately looking for excuses and self justification. I tend to get wound up about this particular topic and that list was begging to be countered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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