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forgive..I am not a scholar... I can say I do not understand why you posted from and old practically unknown translation that was never really widely accepted..and now are posting a similar sounding scripture from what I believe is the esv... but I will say, the words from God that we refuse are truly the ones we need to be concerned over ,the ones He speaks to our hearts... when we refuse Him when He comes to us is when we are in trouble.... but God being the loveing God that He is will take us to the lowest place we need to go to come to our senses and say blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord...

Ahh how the devil likes to torment our hearts and minds... truth is all you have to do is confess your sins before Him ... when you do that ..asknowledge your sin and repent of it..then I guarantee you He will forgive you and cleanse you of all your unrighteousness ....and when He has done that then know that when the voices come to tell you what a sinful person you are you agree and say yes in the natural that is true but I am a new creation in Christ Jesus and there is therfore now no condemnation for me...stand up to the lies and believe God ... you must believe that God is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.... if you will do this the lies will fade the tormenting dreams will stop or God will give you clarity on what He may be saying if you do dream... His word is true and He will never lie to you but the devil (and your flesh) will decieve you in a heartbeat.. God is so faithful to us ..beyond what we can imagine sometimes because we see how bad have been, are, and can be...sometimes we find it too amazing to think God could love us .... but ..He does... Jesus is the proof of that love... I have fought, and do fight, this battle, as I am guessing all Christians do.. we have to have it settled that we trust Jesus has paid the price and that we are free to live unto God now... Rom 8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? Rom 8:32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? Rom 8:33 Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. Rom 8:34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died--more than that, who was raised--who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? Rom 8:36 As it is written, "For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered." Rom 8:37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. Rom 8:38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, Rom 8:39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

..just wanted to let ya know where it came from...

this is from the Douay-Rheims which was translated before the kjv ...the kjv has become the traditional one to use since its translation I think...and then of course there are so many translations from that you cannot keep count....

Hummm... Music.. Music is an odd thing .. it becomes part of you when you listen to it .. I mostly prefer Christian music and it matters what kind.. like nebula that is a lot I don't like.. I prefer worship music ... when I am listening to music it is a praise to God ..which I think God gave us music for ... But .. for entertainment I like country and oldies ..;-).. for me 50's and 60's is oldies... but I don't like to listen to it a lot as it most definatley affects your spirit..yup.. it does... I had not watched the news all summer and the other day I pulled up the news to read it and gosh it was down right offensive what they were even discussing on the news.. they should be embarrased to put stuff out there and talk about it like that.. so I do not miss the news and just did not realize how crude even the news had become.. Movies.. another thing altogether from music but they still has an effect on your spirit... I try to watch fun stuff .. no vile subjects like what is pretty much all that is put out now.... Look.. they way I believe it is ... I look at it listen to it read it and it goes in to me... and it will come out... if I put in worship music I will worship God .. If I put in some fun country or oldies it is like junk food ... if I put in movies that are not so nice then I end up battleing the stuff that got put into my head while I watched it.. it is true... you are what you eat... I try to eat good stuff with music and entertainment ... no way close to perfect but I sure do try .. if we are open to the Lord to tell us He will certainly let you know when to turn something off ..music or radio or tv... I have been thinking a lot about what it was like before men were aware of "the knowledge of good and evil"... how wonderful it will be to return to that place where we only know that which is good again... I'm working on it now...

Welcome back Ro.... and Nebula.. gald to see you got back too....

perhaps worth forgiving and not worthy of it .... When He created man He said it was "good" Gen 1:31 And God saw everything that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Well... in the sense that if you are a Christian and commit the ultimate rebellion against God and kill that which He created and after you are dead you cannot say oops I am sorry I did that ..you cannot repent... in that sense unforgivable .. But .. I do not believe it will get you a ticket to hell if you are indeed His child... The flesh and the devil are strong enemies in our lives and if we are not careful they can drag us down into pits that may seem to us...no escaping it... if we are foolish and deceived enough to think that is true and do kill our selves we are still His child... I do think we will answer to that action when we see Him face to face ... Yup...

Where your child goes to school is very important ... If you like the school and what they contribute to the physical ,educational and spiritual well being to your child and you can live with their terms .. well then, enjoy the privilege of their education of your child.. if not..find a place where your child is better off... if you feel God is telling you to remove them then do so... Praying the Lord will guide you in all your choices... This sounds like a Baptist school to me..;-)... sounds like one of those good cults... Cult... A system of religious beliefs and rituals

Many people have totally lost their sense of propriety ... and just a note.. is re-posting this is just as improper as the one who said it.... what is the point of saying "that should not have been shared" and then sharing it???

The OP just pasted a Bible verse. I don't think anyone is saying that at all sis I am really trying to make a point ..and I am pushing to make it because I believe it is important.. thanks for the hugs sweetie ... what I am after is to say it is not possible except for God's intervention in our minds (or some traumatic situation) for us to forget wrongs done to us even though we have forgiven completely or even not forgiven and need too... the new translation (keep no record of wrong) would probably lead you to think to yourself "oh my, I remember that wrong ..I must be bad.." No No no..... that is what I am trying to get across... It is important to read and interpret correctly... if I don't I could spend years hating myself because I cannot make myself come in to that place I believe I should be... all with good intentions but wrong premise... as I said earlier and nebula also said ... we are not to start making a list of wrongs done to us...nothing at all to do with forgetting it happened... I do believe the statement "forgive and forget' can very much be a stumbling for many who cannot forget although they have forgiven.. 1Co 13:4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 1Co 13:5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 1Co 13:6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Ok... I will get down now and see you all later..

I remember wrongs done to me..does that make me ungodly ?

agape.. 1Co 13:4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 1Co 13:5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 1Co 13:6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. ESV... the most liberal translation I read... and that is a good point... I fall way short of His perfect love ... but see it on occasion..

Sigh... my brain put the first two posts together and responded to them ... "memory loss" got mixed up with keep "no record" and they are definitely different... but...just because I don't "keep a record" of something does not mean I necessarily forget about it... although in eternity ..no worries...

go to the Strongs concordance and look up the root meanings ..how they came up with those translation is not evident to me...

I cannot find a translation that says that.. 1Co 13:4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant 1Co 13:5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; 1Co 13:6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.

Well.. probably because when we are in the middle of terrible circumstance we want out.. my 2 cents.. other wise life is good and we want it to continue till it does get bad.. and I think I will quit right there...

Salvation is not based on what you do. If salvation were based on our conduct, none of us have any hope. I would also add that ALL sin is deliberate. So any time you sin you do it on purpose. No one lies on accident. No one covets or lusts without knowing what they are doing. I do not agree that we cannot sin without knowing it.. I believe we do and just as a child learns what is right and wrong we learn also... He teaches us what is sin and what is not.. I cannot find the Scripture that is just in the back of my mind but when I do I will come back and post it.. Just a thought as I leave this thread for now.. why do you suppose He gave the 10 commandments.??

Let me add a litte note to that..if you are deliberately stealing or whatever be assured your Father will come and discipline you.. be assured for if He did not discipline you ... Heb 12:8 But if you are without chastisement, of which all are partakers, then you are bastards and not sons. Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh who corrected us, and we gave them reverence. Shall we not much rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? Heb 12:10 For truly they chastened us for a few days according to their own pleasure, but He for our profit, that we might be partakers of His holiness.

1Jn 1:4 And we write these things to you so that your joy may be full. 1Jn 1:5 And this is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all. 1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us. Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Amen to that.. God bless this man for standing up to Godly principles for our children .. My goodness but I am so glad I had his teachings through out my children's young lives.. but we have become so rebellious that it amazes me men will allow any discipline in their lives anymore.. I would love to see Dobson as prez and Palin as number 2... but we are too fallen as a nation for that now, in my opinion, and we are on the brink of destruction... I am not sure all the prayers of all the followers of Jesus Christ will bring her back either...

That article does not read like the one I saw from the posted article from that towns news.... there was no mention of christian in it..???

I did not see where it said they were Christians??? who knows what they were preaching .. I will try to find the other article on this where it tells about the past problems of the ones who were shot.. there may have been another reason for the shooting... It is horrible no matter what they were doing ... there is not excuse for this evil deed...