Guest bsubronco Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 I'm a Christian. These verses were recently pointed out to me to show me that Paul's prophecies didn't come true since none of them witnessed the coming of Christ. I was wondering how is this explained in Christian Apologetics. Thanks in advance for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mark1616 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 I'm a Christian. These verses were recently pointed out to me to show me that Paul's prophecies didn't come true since none of them witnessed the coming of Christ. I was wondering how is this explained in Christian Apologetics. Thanks in advance for your help. In verse 17 when Paul said " Then we wich are alive.......", WE does not imply Paul will be alive to see it. But rather it is a reference to those who believe in the LORD Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CellShade Posted July 31, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 397 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/22/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2006 I'm a Christian. These verses were recently pointed out to me to show me that Paul's prophecies didn't come true since none of them witnessed the coming of Christ. I was wondering how is this explained in Christian Apologetics. Thanks in advance for your help. In verse 17 when Paul said " Then we wich are alive.......", WE does not imply Paul will be alive to see it. But rather it is a reference to those who believe in the LORD Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted July 31, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2006 I'm a Christian. These verses were recently pointed out to me to show me that Paul's prophecies didn't come true since none of them witnessed the coming of Christ. I was wondering how is this explained in Christian Apologetics. Thanks in advance for your help. In verse 17 when Paul said " Then we wich are alive.......", WE does not imply Paul will be alive to see it. But rather it is a reference to those who believe in the LORD Jesus. To prop this up even further, we look at things differently than Paul did. Paul, being a hebrew and living in the middle east, would view any sayings about time (such as coming, going, etc) in terms of prupose and not chronologically (as we do). If someone today were to say, "Those of us alive during this time", we would view this as a present collective "us" because of our chronological view. Paul would not have necessarily viewed it this way and instead viewed the time as a purpose, not as a chronologicaly point in time. In other words, those who are alive during the fulfillment of this purpose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProcess Posted July 31, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 487 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/27/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2006 I'm a Christian. These verses were recently pointed out to me to show me that Paul's prophecies didn't come true since none of them witnessed the coming of Christ. I was wondering how is this explained in Christian Apologetics. Thanks in advance for your help. In verse 17 when Paul said " Then we wich are alive.......", WE does not imply Paul will be alive to see it. But rather it is a reference to those who believe in the LORD Jesus. I think those verses suggest that the Christians of that time expected to live to see Jesus return. There is plenty of other evidence in the Bible for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CellShade Posted July 31, 2006 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 397 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/22/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 31, 2006 I'm a Christian. These verses were recently pointed out to me to show me that Paul's prophecies didn't come true since none of them witnessed the coming of Christ. I was wondering how is this explained in Christian Apologetics. Thanks in advance for your help. In verse 17 when Paul said " Then we wich are alive.......", WE does not imply Paul will be alive to see it. But rather it is a reference to those who believe in the LORD Jesus. I think those verses suggest that the Christians of that time expected to live to see Jesus return. There is plenty of other evidence in the Bible for that. Dunno regarding to this part of the Bible but all christians expect to live just in time when Jesus comes for us , without having to die first, it doesn't mean I am neccesarly gonna live to see Jesus coming, but sure I am gonna be with Him in heaven when He does do that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted August 1, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted August 1, 2006 They did not understand the gap in time between prophecy... between Daniel's 69th and 70th week. We are waiting for the last week to start. When Jesus was rejected, that put time on hold.. prophecy on hold regarding the Jews. Wow, Lawyer! I agree with you again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted August 1, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted August 1, 2006 I'm a Christian. These verses were recently pointed out to me to show me that Paul's prophecies didn't come true since none of them witnessed the coming of Christ. I was wondering how is this explained in Christian Apologetics. Thanks in advance for your help. In verse 17 when Paul said " Then we wich are alive.......", WE does not imply Paul will be alive to see it. But rather it is a reference to those who believe in the LORD Jesus. I think those verses suggest that the Christians of that time expected to live to see Jesus return. There is plenty of other evidence in the Bible for that. lol How nice of you to revert to that even though I brought up a solidified explanation of what mark had already provided. To prop this up even further, we look at things differently than Paul did. Paul, being a hebrew and living in the middle east, would view any sayings about time (such as coming, going, etc) in terms of prupose and not chronologically (as we do). If someone today were to say, "Those of us alive during this time", we would view this as a present collective "us" because of our chronological view. Paul would not have necessarily viewed it this way and instead viewed the time as a purpose, not as a chronologicaly point in time. In other words, those who are alive during the fulfillment of this purpose... "No, don't destroy my straw-man, then I might have to believe in Christ!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billie Posted August 1, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,849 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/17/1979 Share Posted August 1, 2006 "No, don't destroy my straw-man, then I might have to believe in Christ!" No, not that! Anything but that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProcess Posted August 1, 2006 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 487 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/27/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted August 1, 2006 lol How nice of you to revert to that even though I brought up a solidified explanation of what mark had already provided. To prop this up even further, we look at things differently than Paul did. Paul, being a hebrew and living in the middle east, would view any sayings about time (such as coming, going, etc) in terms of prupose and not chronologically (as we do). If someone today were to say, "Those of us alive during this time", we would view this as a present collective "us" because of our chronological view. Paul would not have necessarily viewed it this way and instead viewed the time as a purpose, not as a chronologicaly point in time. In other words, those who are alive during the fulfillment of this purpose... "No, don't destroy my straw-man, then I might have to believe in Christ!" OK, what evidence do you have for what you say about the mindset of the first century Hebrew? Even if you are right, that Paul could have understood it that way, (because of the mindset of the first century Hebrew) I can't see any evidence provided by you that he certainly did, or likely did. And as I said, there is plenty of evidence in the Bible that they expected Jesus to return in the first century. As for accusing me of a "straw man", I started a thread on this issue and I didn't get much response from the Christians around here. They ran away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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