WayneB Posted August 17, 2006 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 232 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 7,261 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 79 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/19/1959 Share Posted August 17, 2006 cjrose....If you havent worked it out yet, there are two threads with the same title..Your post has not disappeared...This simply is not the thread you posted it on. Exactly, which is why I have merged both threads into one and placed it here in the Inner Court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalcald Posted August 17, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,258 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/22/1960 Share Posted August 17, 2006 Psychological disorders are not greatly different from physical disorders. Are they of the devil, yes I think all sickness at some level is the result of the Fall and sin in the earth. But if you can find directions on how to do open heart surgery in the New Testament, then you can counsel someone about cutting and the deep emotional and psychological issues involved there based only on the New Testament, not having any formal training in psychology or these kinds of diseases. Indeed Christ is the answer, I could not agree more, but mental illness and emotional illness must be taken just as seriously and treated just as seriously as clogged arteries and diabetes. Prayer is needed, Christ is needed, but that does not mean we turn our backs on the medical profession including a psychologist. If someone has an issue with cutting, yes we think it is about control, about feelings of worthlessness, etc, it is often related to eating disorders. Christ can certainly help these things, just as Christ can help depression and other disorders, but we still should seek professional help, just as we would seek help with cancer or with our clogged arteries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeilanS Posted August 17, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 158 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,763 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/14/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/23/1990 Share Posted August 17, 2006 I think a huge part of it is letting them know they don't deserve it. Hang out with this person, talk to them, when you see that they're good at something, tell them so. They need to know that you care and that they don't deserve that pain. Perhaps even mention the cutting, tell them that it won't solve anything, give them a number they can always reach you at and tell them to call if they feel like cutting themselves. You have to make sure that person has other options, and knows that they arn't alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billie Posted August 17, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,849 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/17/1979 Share Posted August 17, 2006 If this person's underage, his/her parents need to know, if they don't already. S/he probably needs to talk to a professional, whether s/he's grown or not. Encourage that. Is this person saved? If not, witness to him/her. If so, remind them how much God loves them and doesn't want any harm to come to them. Also, Keilan made a really good point. Just be there for them. Be a friend. Be loving and honest and please don't tell anyone except her/his parents. I'll be praying for this dear hurting soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeilanS Posted August 17, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 158 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,763 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/14/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/23/1990 Share Posted August 17, 2006 If this person's underage, his/her parents need to know, if they don't already. S/he probably needs to talk to a professional, whether s/he's grown or not. Encourage that. Is this person saved? If not, witness to him/her. If so, remind them how much God loves them and doesn't want any harm to come to them. Also, Keilan made a really good point. Just be there for them. Be a friend. Be loving and honest and please don't tell anyone except her/his parents. I'll be praying for this dear hurting soul. I have one thing I needed to comment on their. Telling their parents isn't always the best thing. If the reason they are upset is school or something outside of the home, then their parents should know. But sometimes kids cut themselves because they can't turn to their parents. If the parents are irresponsible, abusive in anyway or just don't treat the kids the way they deserve, then telling them is one of the worst things you could do. I have friends who would just get yelled at if they told their parents they were doing something like that. And that doesn't help the problem in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billie Posted August 17, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,849 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/17/1979 Share Posted August 17, 2006 Well, if their parents are abusive and that's the reason they're cutting, the cutting won't stop till the family situation's resolved. The friend should urge the cutter to confide in another trusted adult about the family situation as well as the cutting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeilanS Posted August 17, 2006 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 158 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,763 Content Per Day: 0.27 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/14/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/23/1990 Share Posted August 17, 2006 Well, if their parents are abusive and that's the reason they're cutting, the cutting won't stop till the family situation's resolved. The friend should urge the cutter to confide in another trusted adult about the family situation as well as the cutting. Yep, that is true. It always helps to find some adult who can help, us kids don't always hold that much power when it comes to dealing with abusive situations without an adults help. Just wanted to make sure the topic creator doesn't go telling the parents without getting the full story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billie Posted August 17, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 51 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,849 Content Per Day: 0.44 Reputation: 14 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/17/1979 Share Posted August 17, 2006 You were so right in that, Keilan. I'm glad you thought about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tickle_me_blue Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 I have one thing I needed to comment on their. Telling their parents isn't always the best thing. If the reason they are upset is school or something outside of the home, then their parents should know. But sometimes kids cut themselves because they can't turn to their parents. If the parents are irresponsible, abusive in anyway or just don't treat the kids the way they deserve, then telling them is one of the worst things you could do. I have friends who would just get yelled at if they told their parents they were doing something like that. And that doesn't help the problem in the slightest. Well, if their parents are abusive and that's the reason they're cutting, the cutting won't stop till the family situation's resolved. The friend should urge the cutter to confide in another trusted adult about the family situation as well as the cutting. I agree, that if they are cutting because they are being abused, then it probably isn't a good idea for anyone to tell their parents. More times than not it will make things much worse. I disagree, though, that the cutting won't stop without the family situation being resolved. Cutting is usually done as a release from feelings either the person felt they had to hide, or they don't know how to deal with. I know from experience in all of this that helping them to learn different ways to deal with emotions (and often lies of the enemy) Letting them know that you are always available to talk, and that God is always there, really helps. Give them a non-judgemental environment, don't condemn them for this, and really warfare on their behalf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjrose Posted August 17, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,580 Content Per Day: 0.23 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/13/1960 Share Posted August 17, 2006 What you do depends on who you are, who they are to you, and how serious the cutting is. Most likely they have been rejected by one or both parents and want to emotionally get out of the situation. The physical pain helps them not feel emotional pain. They need a pastor who is close to the Lord to help deliver and counsel them from this. A psychiartrist would be needed if they cannot be talked through it with the pastor or yourself. It is a mental condition to hide the emotional pain. It depends on their age as well... to whom you should go to. If they are a teenager, probably in high school, the school counselor or nurse can help if they trust them. A good teacher may be there. Either way.... this is not ok to do to themselves. I wonder if the demoniac who went about the place cutting himself sought the counsel of a psychologist..... My God people, can you NOT see that cutting is symptomatic of Baal Worship....The demoniac went about the tombs cutting himself with stones..... When did he stop cutting himself...????? When he SAW Jesus. Just as those who worshipped Baal at Mount Carmel in the time of Elijah sought the attention of their god by cutting themselves....ANYONE who is cutting themselves is seeking to find some attention. YES they are in pain and YES they more than likely have some hidden trauma in their lives, but NO psychologist is going to help.... When are Christians EVER going to look to Jesus....????? For Gods sake people.....Psychologists refer to psychiatrists, and psychiatrists refer to medication...That is NOT help.. It is not dealing with the issues at hand. All medication does is suppress the illness...It in NO way deals with it at all... There is a demonic spirit behind those who cut themselves, even if THEY dont realise it. It was only Christ who set the demoniac free....and he had so many demons oppressing him, he was given the name "Legion" , for we are many.. I have a question for the church, and it has phased me and bothered me from day one of my salvation....... Im going to post it here and now because I feel it needs to be asked.... If WE as the body of Christ have been given the authority and the power to cast out demons, lay hands on people and see them healed, trample snakes and scorpions......If WE the Church have the answer to all the evils of the world, then why the hell is it that the WORLD is the only ones looking after them...???? Where is that power and where is that authority when all we do is confine them to institutions because we havent got a damn clue what to do about it...?? Could this have something to do with Pauls scriptures about "having a form of godliness and religion YET denying the POWER....????" I must ask.....Because quite frankly, I am sick and tired of watching people fade away and die, when WE the church the body of Christ are supposed to be the ones looking after them... I do NOT doubt the goodness of God. I do NOT doubt the POWER of God....What I DO doubt is how we as Christians do NOT fully live the very lives we profess to believe in. WE HAVE BECOME JUST LIKE THE WORLD........and it GRIEVES me no end... This may seem harsh, but it needed to be said. Im sorry if I have stepped on anyones toes...and make NO mistake...I am pointing fingers at myself also. Regards, Ben. I can feel your passion on this topic but this is today's world. We don't live in the dark ages but in a world filled with pain and violence and teens who are abused and can do nothing about it. I believe in the power of God but I also believe that these youths need to talk to someone about what they are going through. First step is to admit you have a problem. How can you get a youth who is worldly and in pain to trust anyone. Ministering to them and finding a spiritual counselor is a must but they are in pain and cannot control their actions. It's an illness. They need help as much as prayer. I am ashamed to admit this but since this topic has come up I will tell you I know first hand what it is like for I have cut my inner arm and wrists several times as a teen and once as an adult. In fact the wound was so bad I needed stitches but I let several days go by and they could only butterfly the gap together and gave me a tetnus shot. Does that make me a non believer? I admit also that I was so depressed at that time I wanted to hurt myself to numb the pain in my heart and send it somewhere else where I could actually see it. I am a true believer in the Lord and I sincerely hope you don't judge me for this admission which I have not admitted to anyone before except my husband. These youths need love, compassion, understanding and Yes Therapy!! We can pray but the Lord also says we need to take action. And with others praying for her I believe she will grow out of it. Youths that cut themselves also consider suicide because they are so unhappy and feel they don't belong. With all the love surrounding her and the prayers, she may very well grow out of it and learn to deal with her pain in a way that is more productive. Blessings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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