Bible read.

[Openly Curious]

Amen to that B

Apostle Paul said that he had not shunned to preach the whole counsel of the word of God. and that all scriptures are profitable.

Sure Matthew has the lessons from the sermon on the mount and it covers good godly and righteous living for sure but the book of Matthew does not contain all the words of Jesus that we are to adhere unto.

My faith is in the good book and in nothing else from front cover to back cover are the paths of righteousness for our feet. And counsel from our Wonderful Counselor and Prince of Peace.

oc

[Giaour]

Several places in the NT quote the OT. Or they say "as it was written" or "you have heard from days of old" or OT people were spoke of.

Dont you think we should read the whole thing so when they say these things, we will know what they are speaking of?

[Giaour]

Genesis 17

1. And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

2. And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

3. And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,

4. As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

5. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

6. And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

7. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

8. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

9. And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.

10. This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

11. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

12. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

13. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

14. And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

15. And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be.

16. And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.

17. Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?

18. And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!

19. And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

20. And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

21. But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

22. And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.

23. And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.

24. And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.

25. And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.

26. In the selfsame day was Abraham circumcised, and Ishmael his son.

27. And all the men of his house, born in the house, and bought with money of the stranger, were circumcised with him.

[billie]

Amen to that B

My faith is in the good book and in nothing else from front cover to back cover

oc

From Genisis to Maps, OC!

[Giaour]

Verse 10 can you imagine Abrams face?

"You want me to do WHAT?"

Now THAT is faith!

14. And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Said cut off from His people.

That means not a Jew.

The Abram had the nerve to laugh at God's revelation.

Vs 19 God clearly states the promises will be with Isaac and not Ishmael.

But God blessed Ishmael with multipling his decendents and having 12 princes come from his lineage.

Muslims claim to come from the line of Ishmael, they say that they have had 11 princes and the 12th will bring about the destruction of all non muslims.

The 12 mullah (prince) is their messiah.

That is why they do not see Jesus as the real Messiah.

[Openly Curious]

Amen to that B

My faith is in the good book and in nothing else from front cover to back cover

oc

From Genisis to Maps, OC!

you got it

[Openly Curious]

Several places in the NT quote the OT. Or they say "as it was written" or "you have heard from days of old" or OT people were spoke of.

Dont you think we should read the whole thing so when they say these things, we will know what they are speaking of?

that is exactly right G

alot of people don't realize when those statements are being made it is talking about the old testament and they never go back and find out in the old testament what is being referenced and therefore come up with their own conclusions on the subjects in the new testament and it don't work like that we have to understand old testament history for the word to open up to us clearly. So we need the whole word of God. I have heard some people teach and preach that certain books of the bible are not for us like for example i heard a preacher preach that the book of James was not for us because it was written to the Jews and that was perposterous and we should not deny any portion of the scriptures as being such the whole word is for all who live up under the sun.

Sure apostle Paul was apostle to the Gentiles and his epistles speak from a Gentile perspective to reach the Gentiles and the apostle Peter was the apostle to the Jews and speaks in his epistles from a Jewish customs perspective to win the Jews as they were leaving the old customs and being established away from the Judaism heritage they had been accustomed to under the law. Even Peter got caught up in going back under the law and their was strife that went on between him and Paul over the matter and Peter got straightened out and that is when the two of them were called of God but one was to the Gentiles and one was to the Jew in order to win them both from their perspectives and they seperated from one another as Paul went forth to the Gentile nations and Peter reach the Jews with the gospel message. But we do need the whole counsel of the word and it is very important all the promises of God are yea and amen.

oc

[Openly Curious]

Verse 10 can you imagine Abrams face?

"You want me to do WHAT?"

Now THAT is faith!

14. And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Said cut off from His people.

That means not a Jew.

The Abram had the nerve to laugh at God's revelation.

Vs 19 God clearly states the promises will be with Isaac and not Ishmael.

But God blessed Ishmael with multipling his decendents and having 12 princes come from his lineage.

Muslims claim to come from the line of Ishmael, they say that they have had 11 princes and the 12th will bring about the destruction of all non muslims.

The 12 mullah (prince) is their messiah.

That is why they do not see Jesus as the real Messiah.

Oh I know what you mean G

it hurt me just thinking about it I wonder what they used for pain killers back then

But this is where the practice of circumcision came from and it is pretty much wide spread practice today as the little new born males in the hospital are circumcised for the most part at birth and it is considered clean or it is more cleaner that having the foreskin left on.

This is what apostle Paul talks about the circumsion of the heart in Romans 2:29 that God does to us at our new birth he cuts the foreskin of our hearts and takes out our old heart of stone and gives us a heart of flesh which is the circumsion of God not made with hands like the custom was even it was in the law of Moses or else they would be considered unclean and if one wanted to become a Jew then they had to become one outwardly and be circumsized to become one.

Here is some further scripture if anyone interested further on it

John 7:22; Acts 7:8; Rom 2:25, 29: 3:1,30; 4:9; 15:8; 1 Cor 7:19; Gal 2:7; 5:6; Phil 3:3; Col 2:11

I have never heard of that about the 12th prince being the Messiah Giaour that is interesting

of course I don't know that much about the Muslim beliefs but the Muslims are the descendants of Hagar's son Ismael the child of the flesh which persecuteth the children of the Spirit the descendants of Isaac who was in the lineage that Christ would eventually come from. as it was told us in the previous chapter of Genesis that Ismael would be a "wild man" that would live among the descendant of Abraham with Isaac and would be against everyone and everyone would be against him.

Galatians 4:29

And even today we see the Muslim world doing this they are persecuting all Christian believers whose faith is in Jesus Christ the son of a carpenter in the world today as the children of the flesh persecuteth the children of the Spirit is seen literally before us as it has even grown all over the world now. And it truly is a "Holy War" because it is about faith in who we believe in verses their faith and religion.

This has been as a result of Sarah mistake back then in not waiting on God to perform his promises in due time and I can learn a lesson from that to just wait on God imagine making a mistake and then having the consequences of your mistake go as far as it has today cause of impatience. Man

OC

[Giaour]

Genesis 18

1. And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

2. And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

3. And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

4. Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:

5. And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.

6. And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.

7. And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.

8. And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

9. And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent.

10. And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him.

11. Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women.

12. Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?

13. And the Lord said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?

14. Is any thing too hard for the Lord? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.

15. Then Sarah denied, saying, I laughed not; for she was afraid. And he said, Nay; but thou didst laugh.

16. And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way.

17. And the Lord said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;

18. Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?

19. For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the Lord, to do justice and judgment; that the Lord may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

20. And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;

21. I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

22. And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the Lord.

23. And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?

24. Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?

25. That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?

26. And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

27. And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:

28. Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.

29. And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.

30. And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.

31. And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.

32. And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.

33. And the Lord went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.

[Giaour]

I love Abrams humbleness.

Sarai tried to deny laughing. Funny how the guilty always try to deny their sin or blame someone else.

Also, Abram was quite the negotiator.