blueshirt Posted October 20, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 8 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 20, 2006 Well it's already been predicted that everything in our world is going to fall apart at some point..maybe the Amish think that instead of trying to change the inevitable future, that is already planned out by God, that they should focus their time and effort on God and only God. No, I am not Amish nor considering "converting". Converting is an odd term since they are Christians...so I don't see how I could "convert". I am just in awe at the strength of their faith...that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarletprayers Posted October 20, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 135 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,537 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 157 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/29/1956 Share Posted October 20, 2006 Well I think their main goal is to glorify God. And in everything they do, they revolve their lives around God. I don't see how voting does that. I think they are more interested inteh big picture and not so much interested in what direction our nation goes. That's a short sighted view in my opinion. They are more interested in where their souls are going to rest, not where their country is going in the next 4 years. Here is the problem with that. If the wrong people are elected in the government, it can lead to persecution of the church. While the Amish have the freedom to worship in the manner they choose today, that could change down the road. It is imperitive that we vote to keep people in office that are sympathetic to conservative Christians as opposed to liberals. By the way, what is your interest in the Amish community? Are you Amish or are you considering converting? Butero, I have a question, God says that no government is there unless he places it there, so I actually don't believe you "have" to vote, man can't change what God intends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalcald Posted October 20, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,258 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/22/1960 Share Posted October 20, 2006 Well it's already been predicted that everything in our world is going to fall apart at some point..maybe the Amish think that instead of trying to change the inevitable future, that is already planned out by God, that they should focus their time and effort on God and only God. No, I am not Amish nor considering "converting". Converting is an odd term since they are Christians...so I don't see how I could "convert". I am just in awe at the strength of their faith...that's all. Well Amish believe in general that non-Amish are not saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerioke Posted October 21, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 97 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,850 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1911 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Here is the problem with that. If the wrong people are elected in the government, it can lead to persecution of the church. While the Amish have the freedom to worship in the manner they choose today, that could change down the road. It is imperitive that we vote to keep people in office that are sympathetic to conservative Christians as opposed to liberals. By the way, what is your interest in the Amish community? Are you Amish or are you considering converting? How can he wrong people be elected into government if God is in control? Are you saying there are no liberal Christians? Fear is not of the Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishcowboy Posted October 21, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 127 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,248 Content Per Day: 0.88 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/23/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted October 21, 2006 being overly humble can build a false pride also..... look at me, how humble i am, i dont do the tv, so i am good there, i dont do the car thing, see, i am humble there, i dont do the computer thing, and we do not allow this or that into our community, but when i go into town, i will pick up a newspaper and read it and then discard it before i go home....... i do not want to say it, but i am glad others will do my killing for me, so that i can say i do not believe in killing, even for war..... so again i am good, i am not violating any of our rules..... or like a few people i knew, they were not suppose to smoke, drink soda or coffee or tea, but when they was away from home they would be doing all of the above..... good people in their own home and community, but watch out when they got out in the world.... anyways, not everything is as it seems... mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerioke Posted October 21, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 97 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,850 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1911 Share Posted October 21, 2006 How can he wrong people be elected into government if God is in control? Are you saying there are no liberal Christians? Fear is not of the Lord. I believe liberalism as we define it today is in direct opposition to Christianity. There are a lot of Christians that do wrong things and believe things that are contrary to scripture, so I will not go so far as to say that a Christian cannot be deceived into being liberal. That is especially true when it comes to new believers, but to me, liberal Christian is an oxymoron. It seems to me that labelling anyone a liberal or conservative causes division. These are political terms and I don't believe Jesus has a preferance in political parties. I've seen plenty of conservatives that lack the love and grace that God calles us to have as well. I wonder if the pharasees thought Jesus was a liberal when He set the prostitute free and told her to sin no more. How many conservatives would hang out with tax collectors and prostitutes? I don't believe stereotyping is of the Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalcald Posted October 21, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,258 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/22/1960 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Well it's already been predicted that everything in our world is going to fall apart at some point..maybe the Amish think that instead of trying to change the inevitable future, that is already planned out by God, that they should focus their time and effort on God and only God. No, I am not Amish nor considering "converting". Converting is an odd term since they are Christians...so I don't see how I could "convert". I am just in awe at the strength of their faith...that's all. Well Amish believe in general that non-Amish are not saved. I didn't realize that Smalcald. I looked into their basic beliefs, but the issue of outsiders being saved never came up. I think that was how I understood it Butero. It is hard though as they don't have detailed doctrinal written statements. But it was my understanding that they did believe that they had the one true path and others on the outside, the "English" were not going to be saved. That was my understanding, but I could be wrong as usual. Did you look into the Mennonites? I had considered them at one point. For me they did do some of the things I thought that the Amish were missing in regards to evangelization, and they were not as severe, but that was about 20 years ago and I didn't really pursue it seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerioke Posted October 21, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 97 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,850 Content Per Day: 0.84 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1911 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Well it's already been predicted that everything in our world is going to fall apart at some point..maybe the Amish think that instead of trying to change the inevitable future, that is already planned out by God, that they should focus their time and effort on God and only God. No, I am not Amish nor considering "converting". Converting is an odd term since they are Christians...so I don't see how I could "convert". I am just in awe at the strength of their faith...that's all. Well Amish believe in general that non-Amish are not saved. I didn't realize that Smalcald. I looked into their basic beliefs, but the issue of outsiders being saved never came up. I think that was how I understood it Butero. It is hard though as they don't have detailed doctrinal written statements. But it was my understanding that they did believe that they had the one true path and others on the outside, the "English" were not going to be saved. That was my understanding, but I could be wrong as usual. Did you look into the Mennonites? I had considered them at one point. For me they did do some of the things I thought that the Amish were missing in regards to evangelization, and they were not as severe, but that was about 20 years ago and I didn't really pursue it seriously. My mom grew up in a Mennonite family in Manitoba. They don't seem to be any different than any other Chritians there. In Ontario they they are more visually distinguishable and I do believe they have a strong evangelical movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalcald Posted October 21, 2006 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 5,258 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 42 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/16/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/22/1960 Share Posted October 21, 2006 We all know about the school shooting in the Amish community in Pennsylvania a couple of weeks ago. Since then, there has been a lot of attention given to the Amish and I think alot of people have become intrigued with their way of life. I am wondering how you all feel about the Amish. Do you think they have it right? They try to keep everything that can come between them and God out. They have no TV, no internet, no radio, etc. All of those things are deterants. It truly appears that God is the center of their lives. Everything they do from the time they get up in the morning to the time they go down at night is for God. The truly revlolve their lives around God. They don't just "fit Him in" once a week if they have time or if they can get up early enough to go to church. For them, it's an everyday thing. Some people say they are extreme. Maybe so. But doesn't God want us to be extreme in our faith? Wouldn't you agree that things like the TV or internet take us away from God? Or would you disagree? I am interested in knowing your thoughts on the Amish. I am impressed with them and in a way think they have it right. Thanks! No, they don't have it right. They reject a number of things from the bible. All of this technology is also a blessing when used properly. It "appears" God is the center, but it is not necessarily so. They do not do everything from am to pm for God. They often run farms so they are working for themselves and their community. The woman may be canning all day and caring for as many children as they can have.... like 6-10. They are extreme. They are not extreme in their faith when it comes to worship. They reject the Holy Spirit and his gifts. You will not hear one speak in tongues, interpret, words of wisdom or knowledge, nor will you hear of healings. I know first hand after living among these people. Looking in from the outside is different than knowing first hand. Ask the young people and families they have shunned and banished from their communities. You will hear a more correct version of who these people are. They look at you and I as heretics. They will only associate with the rest of the world as they have to. Otherwise they want nothing to do with us and they over charge for their work. I disagree with your statements here and I think you show much unjustified animosity toward the Amish Christians and have painted a bad picture of them as a whole without backing any of it up scripturally. Their core belief is Christian. They believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. They believe the Bible is the inherent Word of God. They believe in salvation through Jesus Christ. They believe in the after life, heaven or hell. You will not hear one speak in tongues, interpret, words of wisdom or knowledge, nor will you hear of healings. This can be said of the majority of your mainstream so called Christian churches today. Why pick on the Amish? Does salvation come through speaking in tongues, etc., or by grace through faith in Jesus Christ and in him alone? Ask the young people and families they have shunned and banished from their communities. You will hear a more correct version of who these people are. The Amish Christians must be doing something right because they have been around for a very, very long time. Again, here, yu fail to provide evidence that they banished under aged people from their communities, and the reasons why. I doubt very much that they would banish any under aged person. They often run farms so they are working for themselves and their community. The woman may be canning all day and caring for as many children as they can have.... like 6-10. So? Do you have a problem with this also? An honest day's work never hurt anyone, and children are a blessing from the Lord. My Web Blog I have not lived as an Amish, although there are several Amish farms close to where we live and I do some business with them (bought some lumber, they tore down an outbuilding I had etc). Anyway they are Christians and they are different. But they are also sinful humans who have many of the same problems that the rest of us sinful humans have, including child abuse, drunkenness, pride, domestic abuse, etc. I have seen all of those things. But I must say I would venture that these things do occur with less frequency among these communities. Divorce is not allowed, you don't see out of wedlock births at high rates, abortion does not happen, I don't see big drug or porn usage, etc. But we should not believe they don't have many of the same problems we do. I have met some great guys among them and I have met some real jerks, just like in our churches. But they are truly committed to their path and willing to sacrifice many things for their walk with Christ, something I don't always see among our congregations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueshirt Posted October 24, 2006 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 8 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/19/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted October 24, 2006 Butero - I think your view of "voting" for our leaders is short-sighted. I think voting is important. But you seem to think that America is the center of the world. There are many Christians in the world who don't get to vote. Does that make them less of a Christian? I just don't think the fate of our government in the next 4 years is as important as our fate in eternity. Isnt' there a much bigger picture than what direction our country is heading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts