Matthitjah Posted January 8, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 1,285 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 17,917 Content Per Day: 2.27 Reputation: 355 Days Won: 19 Joined: 10/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted January 8, 2007 Grace to you, Canada continues to slide deep into the morass of Moral Relativism. Quote Reuters; Ontario says child can have 2 moms By Leah Schnurr Wed Jan 3, 8:57 PM ET TORONTO (Reuters) - A five-year-old Canadian boy can have two mothers and a father, an Ontario court ruled this week in a landmark case that redefines the meaning of family and examines the rights of parents in same-sex relationships. ADVERTISEMENT In a ruling released on Tuesday, the Ontario Court of Appeal said the female partner of the child's biological mother could be legally recognized as the boy's third parent. The biological father, named on the boy's birth certificate, is a friend of both women and is taking an active role in the child's life. "It is contrary to (the child's) best interests that he is deprived of the legal recognition of the parentage of one of his mothers," Justice Marc Rosenberg wrote in the ruling, which did not name the three parents or the child. "Perhaps one of the greatest fears faced by lesbian mothers is the death of the birth mother... Without a declaration of parentage or some other order, the surviving partner would be unable to make decisions for their minor child." The two women, who have been together since 1990, told the court they did not want to adopt the child because it meant the father would lose his status as a parent. "It's an important precedent because the legislature has not kept the legislation up to date," said Peter Jervis, one of the lawyers for the applicant, referred to only as "A.A." "The court has basically said that it would step in to recognize this woman as the mother of her child ... and would treat her equally," said Jervis. He added that the court found the family to be a very loving one and that A.A. had met all the criteria of being a loving mother. "She read the bedtime stories, put the Band-Aids on his fingers, cleaned his runny nose, had taken him off to school," said Jervis. The Alliance for Marriage and Family, a coalition of several groups that promote a traditional family structure, had filed as an intervenor in the case. "We think there are many good reasons for continuing to uphold the definition of family as two parents," said Joanne McGarry, executive director of the Catholic Civil Rights League, one of the groups represented by the alliance. "Once you remove it from the realm of nature and the realm of traditional moral and religious teachings, who's going to decide how many parents a child can have? What's so magical about three, maybe there could be more." McGarry said the Alliance had not decided if it would appeal the decision. The Institute for Canadian Values, which opposes a 2005 law allowing same-sex marriage in Canada, dismissed the ruling as an act of "naked judicial activism." "The court saw this case as an opportunity to entrench so-called alternative family structures in law without submitting the idea to the rigors of the legislative process," Executive Director Joseph Ben-Ami said in a statement. However, Laurel Rothman, Director of Social Reform at the Family Services Association of Toronto, which worked with the applicant's legal counsel during the case, applauded the decision. "The situation basically recognizes the changing face of families in Canada in the beginning of the twenty-first century," said Rothman. "The law is catching up to the reality of families in modern-day Ontario." Same-sex marriage has been legal in Ontario since 2003, and across Canada since 2005. The latest judgment overturned a 2003 ruling by the Ontario Superior Court of Justice in which the judge found that he did not have jurisdiction to declare the woman a mother. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070104/wl_can...arents_ca_col_3 I know plenty of people that I Trust and Love to handle wiping my kids nose and apply Band-Aides. However God does not consider them to be my childs parent. He appointed my wife and I for that task. Peace, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted January 8, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Welcome to the New Sodom: Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
__coffee Posted January 9, 2007 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 8 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/08/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/01/1991 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Well, I think it makes sense. The woman in question is as much a part of the family as any other member, and is recognized as such by the child, the birth mother and the father. She has been carrying on a marriage-like situation with the birth mother since well beyond the child's birth, and it is probably impossible to convince the child she is raising with the birth mom that she isn't really his parent. He will always see her as such and to be told, no, she's not really your parent after being raised with her as a parent would be a horrible trauma. Unlike a friendly neighbour, a babysitter or a non-nuclear relative, she is a part of the child's everyday life, carrying out normal parental responsibilities day in and day out. She's not second best or the second tier, unlike someone outside the nuclear family. She's not a person the child sometimes sees, she is a person who makes choices for the family and determines the child's welfare. In addition, her presence doesn't circumvent or challenge the relationship the boy has with his father. His life in a family parented by lesbians doesn't stop him from enjoying time with a father that is on friendly terms with both his mothers. There might be questions when he's older, but I fail to see how three loving parents isn't as good as a family of two parents. I also see this quote as totally accurate... "Perhaps one of the greatest fears faced by lesbian mothers is the death of the birth mother... Without a declaration of parentage or some other order, the surviving partner would be unable to make decisions for their minor child." I think it's far better that all members of the family know they will be able to continue caring for the child and providing him with a stable home if one family member should pass away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyAngeL Posted January 9, 2007 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 23 Topic Count: 155 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,464 Content Per Day: 1.02 Reputation: 8,810 Days Won: 57 Joined: 03/30/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/12/1952 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Welcome to the New Sodom: Canada. It isn't just Canada Floatingaxe. The whole world seems to be going in that direction. This is all in the Bible. We are really in the last days. I was thinking today how I just wish Jesus would just come back. This whole world is spinning out of control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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