forrestkc Posted February 5, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,015 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2007 And those are economically proven facts historically. Why can't that be included in the debate? Because it is framed emotionally as if disagreeing with that failed policy is akin to bigotry or hatred. Baloney. Let's see the economic data that shows a correlation between past minimum wage increases over the last 75 years, and an increase in the core inflation rate, or an increase in the unemployment rate. I will give a hint; such a correlation does not exist. Do you think that fighting Hitler was a "good" thing? How many brave Americans lost their life doing that? Hint: More on the first day than we've lost in years of Iraq. How many idiots thought he would go away if we stuck our heads in the sand? Many on this site have sons in the war (including me) or have served in the military themselves. These soldiers consistantly give a different picture than the liberal media or Democrats paint. Fox news (the only conservative television outlet) gives their story a place to be heard. Too bad the libs don't like it. They should take it up with their leaders who ALL voted for it. You are only proving my point. There is hardly a retired general or intelligence official that does not believe that our going into Iraq was a massive strategic blunder in the war on terrorism. What have we gained from the war? You are accusing liberals of being emotional on foreign policy and going by your posts, your entire worldview as it relates to foreign policy is based in a fundamentalist interpretation of biblical prophecy. Where does it end when Pandora's box is opened? If you can explain that with historical evidence, we'll listen. Unfortunately for you, history tells a different story Where is this history? Let's see a correlation between Civil Unions, and Same Sex Marriages an increase on the divorce rate, an increase in the teen pregnancy rate, or other societal problems. Let me give you a hint, of the top ten states with the lowest divorce rates, 9 of them are blue states. Only the liberals seemed to be afraid of Jesus in the public square. We can have gross immorality and gay parades but, oh not, not that meek & mild Jesus baby!!! You obviously do not get the principle behind a separation of church and state. Basically it means that the state cannot be used as a vehicle to promote, endorse, or compel anyone to adhere to a religious belief. Secondly, you obviously don't get the basic premise that virtually all our laws are based in. Basically, it is the following; you have the right to live your life the way you choose to live your life so far as your actions do not impede another individual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestkc Posted February 5, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,015 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2007 Liberals and conservatives are not going to agree so there is no point in debating this. However, it is absurd to think that liberal arguments are all based in emotion, and conservative ones in logic. Many times it is the exact opposite that is true. Neither side has a monopoly on intelligence or morality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giaour Posted February 5, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Sorry forrest but this bothers me; "What have we gained from the war? " It's not so much about US as it is about THEM. What have they gained? Freedom to worship. Freedom to be educated. Freedom from mass murders. Freedom from a brutal dictator. Freedom to decide for themselves what they want for their lives. Freedom from oppression. Freedom of speech. Freedom to assemble. Why is it you cant see the good being done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestkc Posted February 5, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,015 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted February 5, 2007 Sorry forrest but this bothers me; "What have we gained from the war? " It's not so much about US as it is about THEM. What have they gained? Freedom to worship. Freedom to be educated. Freedom from mass murders. Freedom from a brutal dictator. Freedom to decide for themselves what they want for their lives. Freedom from oppression. Freedom of speech. Freedom to assemble. Why is it you cant see the good being done? The annualized murder rate in Iraq is 3 times higher today than it was even under Saddam. Iraqis live under the shadow of a bloody civil war; they live in constant fear of sectarian violence and murder squads. As President Eisenhower stated nearly 60 years ago, "War never solved anything". I would think he would know. War can be a resolution as it can be a resolution of a conflict that a nation is forced into, but it is never a solution that a nation should simply opt for. The war in Iraq is an elective war fought for ideological reasons, and we are seeing the fruits with a thousand Iraqis dying a week now as a result of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giaour Posted February 5, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted February 5, 2007 http://www.goodnewsiraq.com/index2.htm http://chrenkoff.blogspot.com/2005/01/good...aq-part-19.html http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robb...00411010826.asp http://www.kmax.ws/b/goodnewsiniraq.htm http://www.dfn.org/good_news_iraq.shtml http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/content/view/1244/ http://goodnewsfromthefront.com/ http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial...news_from_iraq/ http://iraqgoodnews.com/ http://usmilitary.about.com/b/a/024650.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giaour Posted February 5, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Pick a site. Or better yet, search engine "good news iraq" See what you DONT hear from the liberal media that wants to paint Iraq a disaster to make the President look bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest happykafar Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Have you ever noticed, lefties are so bitter and angry, even when they are Christians. We should pray for them, Beloved. I wonder if a devout, brave, Christian man should care about what the world thinks of the fact that he has only one leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest yod Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 ''The airways is where people should be able to get information and opposing views on the issues so they can weigh them both and then decide what they really think themselves'' when have people ever had a wider variety of news in history? What we have is the best solution in an imperfect world. Making stations (and therefore their audience) support views they clearly oppose is anything but fair...it is fascism. Liberals don't understand the free-market of Capitalism...or they would not seek socialist policies from the asheaps of history.. The real problem they have with Rush is that he represents their failure to indoctrinate America any longer. They arrogantly assume we're morons when it is them who has only considered one ''side'' and can't imagine there is anything elsed out there an intelligent person would consider. Yet they have been losing the ideological war since talk radio allowed average Americans to communicate with each other. We aren't mind numb robots! We are people that got tired of propoganda spewing from the TV. I found out that liberals are good complainers with a constant drip of whining yet never offering even one long term SOLUTIO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestkc Posted February 6, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,015 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted February 6, 2007 Pick a site. Or better yet, search engine "good news iraq" See what you DONT hear from the liberal media that wants to paint Iraq a disaster to make the President look bad. Translated, don't believe the news that is reported in every mainstream news outlet on earth, believe the propoganda instead. It does not matter whether one watches CNN, NBC, or Fox News, no one is reporting that things are going well in Iraq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestkc Posted February 6, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,015 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted February 6, 2007 Have you ever noticed, lefties are so bitter and angry, even when they are Christians. We should pray for them, Beloved. I wonder if a devout, brave, Christian man should care about what the world thinks of the fact that he has only one leg. Lets see an example of liberal anger and bitterness on here since you are throwing out the accusation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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