The City Where Kissing Has to Stop

[Scarletprayers]

"Hugging and kissing looks bad. I think you should wait for all physical things until after you are married."

I used to think that way until I was married. I'm not sure what "physical things" she is referring, to but I can guess and would agree. There should be no horizontal boogieing allowed in public. As far as PDA (public displays of affection) like hugging, holding hands, brief kisses....if you don't want to see it don't look in our direction.

holding hands, hugging and brief kisses, I don't mind......but trying to inhale each others faces, yes.

Now that's the way to put it!

Here we go again. Trying to draw the lines/set the boundaries... Why? Do we all so lack or what?

get off of it firehill, I'm not even gonna bother.

Just so you can't go back and change it so you can go what???? what did I do????????

[firehill]

"Hugging and kissing looks bad. I think you should wait for all physical things until after you are married."

I used to think that way until I was married. I'm not sure what "physical things" she is referring, to but I can guess and would agree. There should be no horizontal boogieing allowed in public. As far as PDA (public displays of affection) like hugging, holding hands, brief kisses....if you don't want to see it don't look in our direction.

holding hands, hugging and brief kisses, I don't mind......but trying to inhale each others faces, yes.

Now that's the way to put it!

Here we go again. Trying to draw the lines/set the boundaries... Why? Do we all so lack or what?

get off of it firehill, I'm not even gonna bother.

Just so you can't go back and change it so you can go what???? what did I do????????

The laughing emoticon and my first statement was directed at your comment 'but trying to inhale each others faces, yes' because it was commical. Never mind the compliment. I won't compliment again.

My second comment was not directed at you but a general issue within these boards.

[Eliyahuw]

There is no scriptural basis for physical contact while dating before marriage.

1 Cor 7:1 "...it is good for a man, not to touch a woman."

Are we so "free" and "open" that we no longer have concerns that our future mates will have shared physical affections with another person before becoming "one" with their spouses?

geez...maybe i really am the resident legalist...I don't mean to be...lol

But there is no commandment condemning it.

[apothanein kerdos]

There is no scriptural basis for physical contact while dating before marriage.

1 Cor 7:1 "...it is good for a man, not to touch a woman."

Are we so "free" and "open" that we no longer have concerns that our future mates will have shared physical affections with another person before becoming "one" with their spouses?

geez...maybe i really am the resident legalist...I don't mean to be...lol

Way to take that verse out of context.

1) Paul says that this portion is his opinion, not a command from the Lord

2) Paul is referring to sex, not to touching

3) Paul goes on to say that it's okay to have sex in marriage

The fact is, the Bible is silent on the issue. We know from Song of Solomon that he kissed his bride prior to their wedding...but other than that the Bible is silent on the issue. Thus, to try to make an argument that the Bible forbids such things before marriage is absurd.

[Axxman]

1 Cor 7:1 "...it is good for a man, not to touch a woman."

Way to take that verse out of context.

1) Paul says that this portion is his opinion, not a command from the Lord The bible is the Word of God, given through man. Therefore, we can assume that Pauls opinion is included herein because it also represents the very words the God himself would have for us.

2) Paul is referring to sex, not to touchingThe word for "touch" used in this passage is "haptomai"...it literally means "to touch." It is the SAME word used when the woman "touched" the hem of Jesus' garment and Jesus felt the virtue go out of Him. The entire context here is people who are becoming destracted from their mission because of burning passions. While sexual contact is certainly a degree of "touching"...there is NO reason to assume such a narrow view of the word based on the context.

3) Paul goes on to say that it's okay to have sex in marriageCertainly, that only makes sense. However, Pauls points out that there is immorality outside of marriage and that if you can't control it...then you should get married. His opinion was that nobody should be distracted by marriage, but he conceeds that people do things that cause them to "burn."

The fact is, the Bible is silent on the issue. We know from Song of Solomon that he kissed his bride prior to their wedding...but other than that the Bible is silent on the issue. Thus, to try to make an argument that the Bible forbids such things before marriage is absurd.

[VelvetVoice]

Hey, wait a minute! It doesn't say anything about any of the couples, if they are married or not. I personally appreciate PDAs, how else will my daughter learn the signs of a healthy marriage? Married people hugging and holding hands is a beautiful, God-given gift, along with the rest (although the rest does not belong in public!)

[Marnie]

Hey, wait a minute! It doesn't say anything about any of the couples, if they are married or not. I personally appreciate PDAs, how else will my daughter learn the signs of a healthy marriage? Married people hugging and holding hands is a beautiful, God-given gift, along with the rest (although the rest does not belong in public!)

For the record, I never once tried to inhale Mike's face. Thanks so much for that lovely visual.

[rtwo]

Hey, wait a minute! It doesn't say anything about any of the couples, if they are married or not. I personally appreciate PDAs, how else will my daughter learn the signs of a healthy marriage? Married people hugging and holding hands is a beautiful, God-given gift, along with the rest (although the rest does not belong in public!)

For the record, I never once tried to inhale Mike's face. Thanks so much for that lovely visual.

Oh, but you must try it. Face-inhaling is sublime!

I can understand parents wanting their kids to wait on any sort of physical contact. It's so easy for kids (and, sadly, many adults) to strip the meaning away from these things until handholding, and even french-kissing, become simple acts of play, rather than acts of deep affection. As a teenager, I dated a girl with these rules imposed... we never so much as hugged until over a year into our relationship. Though we ultimately went our separate ways (we -were- teenagers, after all), I've always appreciated the specialness imbued in those acts because of our restrictions.

[Marnie]

Hey, wait a minute! It doesn't say anything about any of the couples, if they are married or not. I personally appreciate PDAs, how else will my daughter learn the signs of a healthy marriage? Married people hugging and holding hands is a beautiful, God-given gift, along with the rest (although the rest does not belong in public!)

For the record, I never once tried to inhale Mike's face. Thanks so much for that lovely visual.

Oh, but you must try it. Face-inhaling is sublime!

I can understand parents wanting their kids to wait on any sort of physical contact. It's so easy for kids (and, sadly, many adults) to strip the meaning away from these things until handholding, and even french-kissing, become simple acts of play, rather than acts of deep affection. As a teenager, I dated a girl with these rules imposed... we never so much as hugged until over a year into our relationship. Though we ultimately went our separate ways (we -were- teenagers, after all), I've always appreciated the specialness imbued in those acts because of our restrictions.

I've never considered hand holding a deep act of affection.

[apothanein kerdos]

The bible is the Word of God, given through man. Therefore, we can assume that Pauls opinion is included herein because it also represents the very words the God himself would have for us.

Have you read the passage? Are you single? If not, then you're violating the Word of God. If so, then you need to start telling people to divorce and not to marry. Are you dating? Have you ever hugged a girl? If so, you're violating the Word of God according to this passage and your interpretation.

The word for "touch" used in this passage is "haptomai"...it literally means "to touch." It is the SAME word used when the woman "touched" the hem of Jesus' garment and Jesus felt the virtue go out of Him. The entire context here is people who are becoming destracted from their mission because of burning passions. While sexual contact is certainly a degree of "touching"...there is NO reason to assume such a narrow view of the word based on the context.

Just forewarning - you're not going to win the debate on the Greek side of this with me, so after I write my response, it would be good for you to just let it stand. I don't say that as I am the end all to it, but that I have commentaries and my own knowledge of Greek...this matter is closed.

The correct interpretation is in reference to sex. This is why multiple translations translate it "not to marry" instead of "not to touch." Regardless, the Greek word used is apetesthai in its Greek construct. Considering its context (in this form), it is going to refer to a sexual act because it is written in the middle voice. This is significant, in my opinion, because it refers to someone doing an action for his own benefit. What type of touching is it referring to, then, in this instance?

Likewise, the Greek word is used elsewhere to refer to sexual acts. Just because you looked it up in a dictionary and saw multiple definitions doesn't mean you can apply those definitions to any context.

The final nail on this argument is that the Greek word porneia is used in the context of haptomai. In fact, the two are related in the context, as porneia is used as the counter balance to haptomai. The word porneia refers to sexual immorality, most common sex before marriage. The debate on this aspect is done.

Yes, I wonder if Solomon kissed ALL of his 1000+ women before marriage. There is ZERO biblical evidence that pre-marital contact is acceptable.

And there is zero evidence that it isn't Biblical. So your point is moot. It means nothing.

We are also told that our actions should set us apart from the World...and that we should be blameless in the eyes of the world.

Okay, so using scripture, provide me what is acceptable before marriage. If you can't, then yes, you are using a legalistic (wrong) interpretation.