Giaour Posted May 7, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted May 7, 2007 > Should Christians observe Jewish Law? No, Jews should obey Jewish laws. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahsway Posted May 7, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 657 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/20/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/15/1959 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Jews should obey "Gods" laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giaour Posted May 9, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Isn't Ten Commandments Jewish Law? Yep. But if you obey the 2 laws that Jesus said to hang ALL the law on, then you cant help but keep them. Love God and love eachother. If you love God you will not take His name in vain. If you love your brother, you will not murder him or covet his belonging,or steal from him etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahsway Posted May 9, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 657 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/20/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/15/1959 Share Posted May 9, 2007 Did the "Jews" write the ten commandments or did God? So, are the 10 commandmenst "Jewish Law" or Gods Laws? Jesus gave us a fuller understanding of the 10 commandments. He did not change them. They are still Gods Laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted May 9, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted May 9, 2007 No one obeys the Ten Commandments. They were created to point to sin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yahsway Posted May 9, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 657 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/20/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/15/1959 Share Posted May 9, 2007 In Matt 22:34-40, The Pharisee's code of morality consisted of countless minute rules and regulations. Jesus summed up ALL moral obligations in the word love, expressed in the two-fold direction of God and neighbor. The quote in verse 37 is from the Jewish Shema (Duet 6:4, 5) and it says- "Hear Oh Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is One. You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. And these words (commandments) which I command you today shall be in your heart." Israels Obedience was to arise from a relationship based upon Love. Verse 5 is considered by Jesus to be the 1st and Greatest commandment. The Heart was considered the seat of the Mind and Will. When Jesus quotes this passage in Mark 12:30 and Luke 10:27, He adds "MIND" to emphasize "UNDERSTANDING". Jesus gave us a fuller understanding of the commandments. Thats whats meant by He came to fulfill the Law and the prophets. The law of God is good provided one understands its function, which is to reveal sin AND to teach what is Right. The Law is powerless to produce holiness of life. But the fault is not with Gods law but with the law of Sin, the indwelling depravity of human nature which rebels against Gods laws. For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is NOT SUBJECT TO THE LAW OF GOD, nor indeed can be. But if one has the Spirit of God, Loves Him with all their heart, soul, strenght, mind, and loves their neighbor as themselves, then all the other laws of the 10 commands follow. This is having the Laws of God written on our Hearts. This is obediance to the 10 commandments, out of a pure heart towards God and towards our neighbor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehill Posted May 11, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,980 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted May 11, 2007 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehill Posted May 11, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,980 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted May 11, 2007 In Matt 22:34-40, The Pharisee's code of morality consisted of countless minute rules and regulations. Jesus summed up ALL moral obligations in the word love, expressed in the two-fold direction of God and neighbor. The quote in verse 37 is from the Jewish Shema (Duet 6:4, 5) and it says- "Hear Oh Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is One. You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. And these words (commandments) which I command you today shall be in your heart." Israels Obedience was to arise from a relationship based upon Love. Verse 5 is considered by Jesus to be the 1st and Greatest commandment. The Heart was considered the seat of the Mind and Will. When Jesus quotes this passage in Mark 12:30 and Luke 10:27, He adds "MIND" to emphasize "UNDERSTANDING". Jesus gave us a fuller understanding of the commandments. Thats whats meant by He came to fulfill the Law and the prophets. The law of God is good provided one understands its function, which is to reveal sin AND to teach what is Right. The Law is powerless to produce holiness of life. But the fault is not with Gods law but with the law of Sin, the indwelling depravity of human nature which rebels against Gods laws. For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is NOT SUBJECT TO THE LAW OF GOD, nor indeed can be. But if one has the Spirit of God, Loves Him with all their heart, soul, strenght, mind, and loves their neighbor as themselves, then all the other laws of the 10 commands follow. This is having the Laws of God written on our Hearts. This is obediance to the 10 commandments, out of a pure heart towards God and towards our neighbor. Awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted May 11, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted May 11, 2007 In Matt 22:34-40, The Pharisee's code of morality consisted of countless minute rules and regulations. Jesus summed up ALL moral obligations in the word love, expressed in the two-fold direction of God and neighbor. The quote in verse 37 is from the Jewish Shema (Duet 6:4, 5) and it says- "Hear Oh Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is One. You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. And these words (commandments) which I command you today shall be in your heart." Israels Obedience was to arise from a relationship based upon Love. Verse 5 is considered by Jesus to be the 1st and Greatest commandment. The Heart was considered the seat of the Mind and Will. When Jesus quotes this passage in Mark 12:30 and Luke 10:27, He adds "MIND" to emphasize "UNDERSTANDING". Jesus gave us a fuller understanding of the commandments. Thats whats meant by He came to fulfill the Law and the prophets. The law of God is good provided one understands its function, which is to reveal sin AND to teach what is Right. The Law is powerless to produce holiness of life. But the fault is not with Gods law but with the law of Sin, the indwelling depravity of human nature which rebels against Gods laws. For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is NOT SUBJECT TO THE LAW OF GOD, nor indeed can be. But if one has the Spirit of God, Loves Him with all their heart, soul, strenght, mind, and loves their neighbor as themselves, then all the other laws of the 10 commands follow. This is having the Laws of God written on our Hearts. This is obediance to the 10 commandments, out of a pure heart towards God and towards our neighbor. Awesome! Awesome two! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VRSpock Posted May 18, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 34 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 304 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/24/1971 Share Posted May 18, 2007 True, but I hate using the word "Christian". It sounds too religious. Instead, I like to say, "the important thing is that you meet your Saviour; I know you'll love Him..." I like that description. There are too many self-professing "Christians" out there now who sure don't know the Jesus spoken of in scripture. Instead they are following a false idol that they have created within their own minds and have named it Christianity. They are carrying G-d's name in vain. The laws are in place to show the wicked that it is impossible to appear righteous before an all knowing G-d. We are all like filthy wrags according to the law. The penalty of the law was paid by Christ's blood and if we are His, our desire should be to observe the law to the best of our ability, although we won't be able to fully comply with the law since we are not perfect. The Torah is the root of Christianity and as such, is still just as valid today as it was in the beginning. You won't find anywhere in scripture where Jesus or the Apostles did away with the Torah. Paul observed all of the Jewish feasts. My family and I are just starting to learn about the biblical feasts and the importance of them. Not so that we can do some cold dead religious ritual, but because we have a desire to press further and further into G-d's presence. Our church is moving slowly in that direction, but it takes a lot of time for such things to transform as these things are new to us. I mean, I just explained to a friend not too long ago that dancing was something that I was taught as a child to be sinful and certainly not something you did in worship, which is actually a pagan rooted belief that has nothing to do with scripture....lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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