Is the Pre-Trib Rapture Real? Origins of the Pre-Trib Rapture Theory

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

"Mr. Kotttterrrr, OHH! OHHH! OHHH! Mr. Kottterrrr!" I have a question.

How many Ressurections of the Just do we see in Scripture?

Peace,

Dave

[EricH]

Jesus never discusses the rapture, that's a key error many people make. Why? His primary audience was JEWS. All the discussions of Christ in the gospels are in regard to the Second Advent. Paul reveals it to the Church for the first time in the epistles, which is why he says "I show you a MYSTERY"

The first resurrection has two primary compartments: 1) the Church, 2) Israel; and two separate judgments at different times, the OT prophets make that very clear

There isn't a problem in understanding eschatology when you keep Israel separate and distinct from the Church, which is how the Bible is clearly laid out, and that's where so many people get crossed up.

It seems to me that you are allowing your eschatology to determine how you interperet the text. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

[Christian]

Grace to you,

"Mr. Kotttterrrr, OHH! OHHH! OHHH! Mr. Kottterrrr!" I have a question.

How many Ressurections of the Just do we see in Scripture?

OK Horshack, go ahead and answer the question...

How many Ressurections of the Just do we see in Scripture???

[Matthitjah]

I don't think so, the entire Bible shows the distinction between God's dealings with Israel and the Church (which is composed almost entirely of Gentiles)....it's also interesting to see how Christ emphasized he came to the Jews first

God's plan for redemption begins and ends with the Jews...Daniel's 70 sevens prophecy makes that clear...when you really undersatnd and appreciate Daniel's prophecy, you realize the Jews have a job to finish, and they don't need the Church's help, the Church won't even be here!

Daniel 9

Seventy 'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.

YOUR PEOPLE, not the Church! why is this so difficult? why is when I ask why God needs to supernaturally convert 144,000 virgin male Jews at the outset of that seven year period, no one has a logical response (other than denying the 144,000 are literal Jews or similar semantics)?

the problem in the Church today, in terms of eschatology, is a lack of understanding and appreciation for the importance of, or just flat out ignoring, the OT prophets...focusing almost entirely on Revelation and the gospels

Grace to you,

Can you find for me the very same Tribes that are in Revelation 7 in regards to the 144,000 enumerated and categorized the same way that they are there anywhere else in scripture?

P.S. The Revelation of Prophecy centers around Jesus Christ and God's redemptive plan now revealed not the Church or the Jewish people. Although both are very large players in it.

Peace,

Dave

[Matthitjah]

Grace to you,

"Mr. Kotttterrrr, OHH! OHHH! OHHH! Mr. Kottterrrr!" I have a question.

How many Ressurections of the Just do we see in Scripture?

OK Horshack, go ahead and answer the question...

How many Ressurections of the Just do we see in Scripture???

Dear Mr. Kotter,

According to my reading there is only One.

Thank you,

Signed; Epsteins Mother

[Christian]

Dear Mr. Kotter,

According to my reading there is only One.

Thank you,

Signed; Epsteins Mother

Juan, I have told you not to keep bringing those notes to class, but that is a VERY good answer !!!

You get a gold star and may move to the front of the class

[Fraught]

how about you think on this for say . . . . . . a few seconds at least.

first comes unity - we realize (finally) that we are one in Christ Jesus: no master, no slave, no female, no male, no Jew, no Greek, no scythian, no barbarian

this answers Jesus prayer (and it was a long and heartfelt prayer)

then Jesus returns. Hallelujah!

[Matthitjah]

Can you find for me the very same Tribes that are in Revelation 7 in regards to the 144,000 enumerated and categorized the same way that they are there anywhere else in scripture?

no

P.S. The Revelation of Prophecy centers around Jesus Christ and God's redemptive plan now revealed

Zechariah also reveals God's redemptive plan for Israel via the Messiah, again emphasizing the strong focus on Isreal at the time of the Second Advent...the Church is nowhere mentioned

in fact the Church is nowhere mentioned after Revelation 3...and I believe the 24 elders in Revelation 4 are a picture of the Church in heaven, casting their crowns before Christ

No?

So how do those tribes now become recognized as Physical Israel? Especially when Physical Israel never ever fit that description?

Just a question.

How do the 24 Elders fit the bill as the Church?

Peace,

Dave