Purgatory...defend this false doctrine!

[Eliyahuw]

CaritateDei,

just off curiosity before you get bombarded.

if people placed some scripture clarifying some of those verses that you have; are you

willing to break out of that purgotory belief or is it embedded so deep in you that you will not budge? ... 3xR0c|<stAr

I am very open to hearing responses and clarification.

well, I can start by asking you this:

Revelation 21:27 - Nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]

1. where do you believe this is located? ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Heaven is outside of space and time, pal.

Scripture please

Ok, so now you believe that I can walk in and out of heaven? No one has found heaven. God is spiritual. We cannot see God. We believe in God and Heaven, but cannot see him. Outside of Space and time. Good grief! AK is right, Atheists are so much easier to reason with!

Your the one making the claim it is. i see no proof that it is outside space and time. when man doesn't even know what outside space and time is then how can he know if heaven is outside space and time.

If you go by bible, christ ascended from the earth. it doesn't say he went poof and disappeared to a different space and time. God created the heavens and the earth, inside of this space and time. he exists here. so it is reasonable to believe that heaven also exists in this plane.

[CaritateDei]

CaritateDei,

just off curiosity before you get bombarded.

if people placed some scripture clarifying some of those verses that you have; are you

willing to break out of that purgotory belief or is it embedded so deep in you that you will not budge? ... 3xR0c|<stAr

I am very open to hearing responses and clarification.

well, I can start by asking you this:

Revelation 21:27 - Nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]

1. where do you believe this is located? ... 3xR0c|<stAr

Heaven is outside of space and time, pal.

Scripture please

Ok, so now you believe that I can walk in and out of heaven? No one has found heaven. God is spiritual. We cannot see God. We believe in God and Heaven, but cannot see him. Outside of Space and time. Good grief! AK is right, Atheists are so much easier to reason with!

Your the one making the claim it is. i see no proof that it is outside space and time. when man doesn't even know what outside space and time is then how can he know if heaven is outside space and time.

If you go by bible, christ ascended from the earth. it doesn't say he went poof and disappeared to a different space and time. God created the heavens and the earth, inside of this space and time. he exists here. so it is reasonable to believe that heaven also exists in this plane.

Ok, I'll bite. Even if it does exist in this plane...how does that change anything?

[exrockstar]

Ok, I'll bite. Even if it does exist in this plane...how does that change anything?

it helps clarifying this scripture:

this is on earth. this is the new Jerusalem that will be rebuilt.

Reread Rev 21. I will post some verses:

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

The same way Christ ascended in heaven. Heaven will open up and bring down this city.

... 3xR0c|<stAr

[Eliyahuw]

Wow! How far off the mark.

So the blood of Jesus is incapable of cleansing us from all sin? Believing that lie will get you into a lot of trouble one Day.

Here is the problem. You do not respond to a single point I made. You just say, "You're wrong, I'm right."

I have quoted the Bible. The Bible is quite clear that no one is assured of salvation. What is so harmful about purgatory?

It doesn't matter about your single points. what matters is all of what your saying says the blood of christ is not enough. that in itself is enough to show your off the mark. WAY off the mark.

Christs blood atoned for all sin. So no one has to pay any price for sin unless they die unsaved.

Ok...where do you get that from? The Bible is VERY clear that no one is assured. We will still be judged according to our deeds. I can sit there and believe in Christ Jesus, shouting, "Lord, Lord!" But that does not assure me of salvation.

By the way, Jesus said that.

Wow, your not assured of your salvation? I know without a shadow of doubt, I am secure in his salvation. God promised me. Are you saying that God breaks his promises???

john 3:16, ephesians 2:8&9

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Rom 5:11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

These are sealed promises of God. Sealed in Christs blood.

In accordance with the Book of Hebrews...I'm guessing you never sin either?

It doesn't matter. It has been covered in the blood. hebrews was written to the christian jews that were trying to go back under the law. It does not negate Christs atonement for our sins. It does not advocate that one can lose their salvation. Thats a false doctrine.

But it says you're going to hell if you sin. Based on yours and FA's conclusions, all people who sin, knowing of God or not, go to hell.

You must be without sin, then, if you are assured of salvation. To say it doesn't matter contradicts yourself.

I said i am without sin. Christ already covered that. nothing i do will remove me from his salvation.

Heres another promise. Are you still insisting that christ or God will break his promises??

Jhn 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.

Jhn 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

[CaritateDei]

Wow! How far off the mark.

So the blood of Jesus is incapable of cleansing us from all sin? Believing that lie will get you into a lot of trouble one Day.

Here is the problem. You do not respond to a single point I made. You just say, "You're wrong, I'm right."

I have quoted the Bible. The Bible is quite clear that no one is assured of salvation. What is so harmful about purgatory?

It doesn't matter about your single points. what matters is all of what your saying says the blood of christ is not enough. that in itself is enough to show your off the mark. WAY off the mark.

Christs blood atoned for all sin. So no one has to pay any price for sin unless they die unsaved.

Ok...where do you get that from? The Bible is VERY clear that no one is assured. We will still be judged according to our deeds. I can sit there and believe in Christ Jesus, shouting, "Lord, Lord!" But that does not assure me of salvation.

By the way, Jesus said that.

Wow, your not assured of your salvation? I know without a shadow of doubt, I am secure in his salvation. God promised me. Are you saying that God breaks his promises???

john 3:16, ephesians 2:8&9

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Rom 5:11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

These are sealed promises of God. Sealed in Christs blood.

In accordance with the Book of Hebrews...I'm guessing you never sin either?

It doesn't matter. It has been covered in the blood. hebrews was written to the christian jews that were trying to go back under the law. It does not negate Christs atonement for our sins. It does not advocate that one can lose their salvation. Thats a false doctrine.

But it says you're going to hell if you sin. Based on yours and FA's conclusions, all people who sin, knowing of God or not, go to hell.

You must be without sin, then, if you are assured of salvation. To say it doesn't matter contradicts yourself.

I said i am without sin. Christ already covered that. nothing i do will remove me from his salvation.

Heres another promise. Are you still insisting that christ or God will break his promises??

Jhn 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.

Jhn 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

Yet you commit the sin of presumption and pride.

Matthew 7:21 - not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter heaven.

Matt 24:13 - those who persevere to the end WILL be saved.

Romans 11:22 - Remain in his kindness or you will be cut off.

1 Corinthians 9:27 - we may be disqualified from salvation

1 Corinthians 10:12 - those thinking they are secure may fall

Galations 5:4 - it is possible to fall from grace

Hebrews 6:4-6 - Sharers in the Holy Spirit can easily fall away.

Hebrews 10:26-27 - Judgement will remain to those who sin after receiving the truth.

You lie in saying that you never sin.

[Eliyahuw]

Wow! How far off the mark.

So the blood of Jesus is incapable of cleansing us from all sin? Believing that lie will get you into a lot of trouble one Day.

Here is the problem. You do not respond to a single point I made. You just say, "You're wrong, I'm right."

I have quoted the Bible. The Bible is quite clear that no one is assured of salvation. What is so harmful about purgatory?

It doesn't matter about your single points. what matters is all of what your saying says the blood of christ is not enough. that in itself is enough to show your off the mark. WAY off the mark.

Christs blood atoned for all sin. So no one has to pay any price for sin unless they die unsaved.

Ok...where do you get that from? The Bible is VERY clear that no one is assured. We will still be judged according to our deeds. I can sit there and believe in Christ Jesus, shouting, "Lord, Lord!" But that does not assure me of salvation.

By the way, Jesus said that.

Wow, your not assured of your salvation? I know without a shadow of doubt, I am secure in his salvation. God promised me. Are you saying that God breaks his promises???

john 3:16, ephesians 2:8&9

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Rom 5:11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

These are sealed promises of God. Sealed in Christs blood.

In accordance with the Book of Hebrews...I'm guessing you never sin either?

It doesn't matter. It has been covered in the blood. hebrews was written to the christian jews that were trying to go back under the law. It does not negate Christs atonement for our sins. It does not advocate that one can lose their salvation. Thats a false doctrine.

But it says you're going to hell if you sin. Based on yours and FA's conclusions, all people who sin, knowing of God or not, go to hell.

You must be without sin, then, if you are assured of salvation. To say it doesn't matter contradicts yourself.

I said i am without sin. Christ already covered that. nothing i do will remove me from his salvation.

Heres another promise. Are you still insisting that christ or God will break his promises??

Jhn 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.

Jhn 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

[CaritateDei]

Wow! How far off the mark.

So the blood of Jesus is incapable of cleansing us from all sin? Believing that lie will get you into a lot of trouble one Day.

Here is the problem. You do not respond to a single point I made. You just say, "You're wrong, I'm right."

I have quoted the Bible. The Bible is quite clear that no one is assured of salvation. What is so harmful about purgatory?

It doesn't matter about your single points. what matters is all of what your saying says the blood of christ is not enough. that in itself is enough to show your off the mark. WAY off the mark.

Christs blood atoned for all sin. So no one has to pay any price for sin unless they die unsaved.

Ok...where do you get that from? The Bible is VERY clear that no one is assured. We will still be judged according to our deeds. I can sit there and believe in Christ Jesus, shouting, "Lord, Lord!" But that does not assure me of salvation.

By the way, Jesus said that.

Wow, your not assured of your salvation? I know without a shadow of doubt, I am secure in his salvation. God promised me. Are you saying that God breaks his promises???

john 3:16, ephesians 2:8&9

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Rom 5:11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

These are sealed promises of God. Sealed in Christs blood.

In accordance with the Book of Hebrews...I'm guessing you never sin either?

It doesn't matter. It has been covered in the blood. hebrews was written to the christian jews that were trying to go back under the law. It does not negate Christs atonement for our sins. It does not advocate that one can lose their salvation. Thats a false doctrine.

But it says you're going to hell if you sin. Based on yours and FA's conclusions, all people who sin, knowing of God or not, go to hell.

You must be without sin, then, if you are assured of salvation. To say it doesn't matter contradicts yourself.

I said i am without sin. Christ already covered that. nothing i do will remove me from his salvation.

Heres another promise. Are you still insisting that christ or God will break his promises??

Jhn 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.

Jhn 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

Yet you commit the sin of presumption and pride.

Matthew 7:21 - not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter heaven.

Matt 24:13 - those who persevere to the end WILL be saved.

Romans 11:22 - Remain in his kindness or you will be cut off.

1 Corinthians 9:27 - we may be disqualified from salvation

1 Corinthians 10:12 - those thinking they are secure may fall

Galations 5:4 - it is possible to fall from grace

Hebrews 6:4-6 - Sharers in the Holy Spirit can easily fall away.

Hebrews 10:26-27 - Judgement will remain to those who sin after receiving the truth.

You lie in saying that you never sin.

[Smalcald]

Wow! How far off the mark.

So the blood of Jesus is incapable of cleansing us from all sin? Believing that lie will get you into a lot of trouble one Day.

Here is the problem. You do not respond to a single point I made. You just say, "You're wrong, I'm right."

I have quoted the Bible. The Bible is quite clear that no one is assured of salvation. What is so harmful about purgatory?

It doesn't matter about your single points. what matters is all of what your saying says the blood of christ is not enough. that in itself is enough to show your off the mark. WAY off the mark.

Christs blood atoned for all sin. So no one has to pay any price for sin unless they die unsaved.

Ok...where do you get that from? The Bible is VERY clear that no one is assured. We will still be judged according to our deeds. I can sit there and believe in Christ Jesus, shouting, "Lord, Lord!" But that does not assure me of salvation.

By the way, Jesus said that.

Wow, your not assured of your salvation? I know without a shadow of doubt, I am secure in his salvation. God promised me. Are you saying that God breaks his promises???

john 3:16, ephesians 2:8&9

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Rom 5:11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

These are sealed promises of God. Sealed in Christs blood.

In accordance with the Book of Hebrews...I'm guessing you never sin either?

It doesn't matter. It has been covered in the blood. hebrews was written to the christian jews that were trying to go back under the law. It does not negate Christs atonement for our sins. It does not advocate that one can lose their salvation. Thats a false doctrine.

But it says you're going to hell if you sin. Based on yours and FA's conclusions, all people who sin, knowing of God or not, go to hell.

You must be without sin, then, if you are assured of salvation. To say it doesn't matter contradicts yourself.

I said i am without sin. Christ already covered that. nothing i do will remove me from his salvation.

Heres another promise. Are you still insisting that christ or God will break his promises??

Jhn 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.

Jhn 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

Yet you commit the sin of presumption and pride.

Matthew 7:21 - not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter heaven.

Matt 24:13 - those who persevere to the end WILL be saved.

Romans 11:22 - Remain in his kindness or you will be cut off.

1 Corinthians 9:27 - we may be disqualified from salvation

1 Corinthians 10:12 - those thinking they are secure may fall

Galations 5:4 - it is possible to fall from grace

Hebrews 6:4-6 - Sharers in the Holy Spirit can easily fall away.

Hebrews 10:26-27 - Judgement will remain to those who sin after receiving the truth.

You lie in saying that you never sin.

Right we all sin and fall short, every one of us.

But I don

[Eliyahuw]

Wow! How far off the mark.

So the blood of Jesus is incapable of cleansing us from all sin? Believing that lie will get you into a lot of trouble one Day.

Here is the problem. You do not respond to a single point I made. You just say, "You're wrong, I'm right."

I have quoted the Bible. The Bible is quite clear that no one is assured of salvation. What is so harmful about purgatory?

It doesn't matter about your single points. what matters is all of what your saying says the blood of christ is not enough. that in itself is enough to show your off the mark. WAY off the mark.

Christs blood atoned for all sin. So no one has to pay any price for sin unless they die unsaved.

Ok...where do you get that from? The Bible is VERY clear that no one is assured. We will still be judged according to our deeds. I can sit there and believe in Christ Jesus, shouting, "Lord, Lord!" But that does not assure me of salvation.

By the way, Jesus said that.

Wow, your not assured of your salvation? I know without a shadow of doubt, I am secure in his salvation. God promised me. Are you saying that God breaks his promises???

john 3:16, ephesians 2:8&9

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Rom 5:11 And not only [so], but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

These are sealed promises of God. Sealed in Christs blood.

In accordance with the Book of Hebrews...I'm guessing you never sin either?

It doesn't matter. It has been covered in the blood. hebrews was written to the christian jews that were trying to go back under the law. It does not negate Christs atonement for our sins. It does not advocate that one can lose their salvation. Thats a false doctrine.

But it says you're going to hell if you sin. Based on yours and FA's conclusions, all people who sin, knowing of God or not, go to hell.

You must be without sin, then, if you are assured of salvation. To say it doesn't matter contradicts yourself.

I said i am without sin. Christ already covered that. nothing i do will remove me from his salvation.

Heres another promise. Are you still insisting that christ or God will break his promises??

Jhn 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.

Jhn 10:29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

Yet you commit the sin of presumption and pride.

Matthew 7:21 - not everyone who says Lord Lord will enter heaven.

Matt 24:13 - those who persevere to the end WILL be saved.

Romans 11:22 - Remain in his kindness or you will be cut off.

1 Corinthians 9:27 - we may be disqualified from salvation

1 Corinthians 10:12 - those thinking they are secure may fall

Galations 5:4 - it is possible to fall from grace

Hebrews 6:4-6 - Sharers in the Holy Spirit can easily fall away.

Hebrews 10:26-27 - Judgement will remain to those who sin after receiving the truth.

You lie in saying that you never sin.

Ahh a accusation. I NEVER SAID THAT. You chose to add that. I SAID i do not have sin. its covered by the blood of Christ. And futhermore those times that i do sin, its covered already. christ took care of it at the cross.

[CaritateDei]

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Right we all sin and fall short, every one of us.

But I don