Giaour Posted June 6, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted June 6, 2007 The parts in bold are the parts I disagree with most. Introduction We all have things within our homes that we know off and some that are hidden from us, long forgotten or its history unknown. Just how many of those things are honouring to God? How man of these things are as innocent as they seem, they could well be harboring bad spirits by creating a bad atmosphere and creating disharmony within the home. Here are my thoughts as to what we posses in our home, how we perceive them and what God most likely thinks of them. Satan's Perversion of Gods Creation for Evil Anything can be used for an evil purpose or be incorporated into occult ceremonies or spell casting. For example spells are often recorded on to a cassette tape, the tape is then spooled off and wrapped around objects, anchored to bottom of streams etc or simply left in certain places. This doesn’t mean that we should all get rid of every cassette tape and claim its “off satan” Indeed it is easy to become paranoid about such things and go way over the top and obsessive, which is in itself not healthy for us, for example banning anyone from entering the house who wears jewellery in case they have one of dozens of type of crystal that is used in new age healing. Who created crystals in first place? Well obviously God did. Man and Satan have simply taken a perfect creation and used it for their perversion and evil. Just because Satan has decided to fool man into using certain objects for evil, dose not mean we can also enjoy these objects for the purpose they were intended. There is nothing wrong with us from going out and digging up bucket loads of crystals and minerals and displaying them in our homes, or buying them from a specialist mineral and rock shop. However we may run into problems if we just buy crystals etc from any old source as we have no way of knowing what they were used for, if their use was for satanic purposes, such as healing, they most likely come with a “bad spirit” . These can of course be spiritually cleaned and polished and cleansed from their bad past, but for most of us it will be best to err on side of caution and just to leave well alone. DO You Know What Is Actually Hidden Or Coming Into Your Home? It is possible that you could have other objects that are not so obvious as having been used for satanic uses as all manner of things can be used, rope, knives etc quite often a Christian household can experience trouble and turmoil simply because of the bad spirits connected to an object that has been bought unwittingly into the home. Prayer and seeking out items is then obviously a good route to take. When my mother became a Christian and my father left us there were problems and disharmony eventually this was tracked down to a crystal ball that my grandmother used for fortune telling. It was amongst her possession that my father horded in the house when she died, removing that object changed the harmony of the home. Another type of object entering the home can be something simple like a leaflet or flyer being put in your mailbox/ through door. If it is to do with occult or satanic practices, such as spiritual healing then again it could have some bad spirit about it, even ripping it up and putting it in bin can still generate a negative discord in the home. Demonic Origins. So far we have looked at individual objects that, when they were created are pure and harmless, but have since been perverted and tarnished by Satan through satanic practices. However what about objects that are an abomination to the sight of God regardless of when they were created and what they are made out of and in what images they take on. These objects are demonic objects. These objects can be of any form, be they statues, pictures, ornaments etc but they all are objects that are an abomination in Gods sight and dishonour God. False Gods SO what items can we have that are so terrible? Well we all should know about false gods and goddesses, this is a good place to start. A false god is a false god no matter what form it takes. Greeks and Romans had a number of pretty beautiful and amazing gods, one of the most famous we all can identity is Eros also known as Cupid to the Romans. There are a plethora of pictures and statues of Eros and it isn’t that difficult to obtain a statue of this cute little chap with wings and his bow and arrow, however this is a god and was worshiped, doesn’t matter that thousands of years have gone by, to our living God and creator of the universe time is same as it is now as it was at dawn of time, this statue or image is still a false god brought into the world by Satan to deceive man, it is still an abomination before God. Another popular figure people own are Buddha’s some are comical looking and brought back from the far East as a souvenir, but again they are false gods, how do you know the more genuine ones also do not come with a bad spirit? There are plenty of others, but we don’t need to go through those as you should get the idea from above two examples. Demonic Creatures and Entities or Inventions Of Satan From very early in mans history, one of Satans battle plans to draw mankind from God and the true spiritual battle was to offer a number alternative realms and entities that inhabit them. Introduction To Some Creatures. Fairies Subclass Leperauchan, Dullahan, Pooka, Changeling's, Grogoch, Banshee and Merrow The origins of these creatures have been lost in time, there are a number of theories such as this is a separate race of beings who were driven into hiding when man took over the world. However we do see countless stories of them turning up in medieval times and by a huge number of names across the globe. Fairies were popularised and made into cute pretty young maidens, however many cultures a fairy is not exactly pretty and can be hideously ugly. Some cultures say that fairies are quite simply the dead roaming the earth looking for souls to take. Many places in Ireland still hold strong to beliefs that fairies exist, such as Leprechauns, and Banshees.. Someone having bad luck or disharmony in the home often looks to remove a bad fairy from with their home. Offerings for another type of fairy are left after harvest. Fairies are able to predict the future and cast spells. Gnome/Dwarf/Goblin The name of these elemental beings vary from country to country and again have been with us for as long as written records exist, another lost race of beings or of a supernatural type that inhabit the very bowls of the earth. Elves A race of small people that belonged to ancient European gods and goddesses. These creatures inhabit woodland and water and underground often thought of as being immortal, able to cast spells etc. What’s the Big Deal? Fiction over the years, indeed over the centuries, take Shakespeare midsummer’s night dream for example, have made most of these popular and acceptable, people love the images of pretty young girls and beautiful women with wings who sit in flowers having fun. If these were simply stories and manipulated by Satan, then maybe it wouldn’t be so bad, However these stories have all come about from the original belief in that these creatures are real to start with. Long before the stories people were sighting and speaking to these creatures. Whole communities would be in fear of these creatures. People seek out these creatures and believe them to be real and inhabit the after life and other realms. Some most famous people are noted to have consorted with such beings who gave them their fame, such as Stevenson who wrote Treasure Island, He claims all his stories were given to him by fairies. The Origins and true intentions The Origins of All these creatures are not from the imagination of man, but as demonic manifestations who went out and made themselves known to man to deceive them and even make them live in fear under their rule. There are places around the world today that are still held under these demonic powers . A cute plastic ornament of a little cheeky chap with red hat and fishing rod may seem like harmless fun as a pretty looking female with wings,, but as we have seen, this is actually an image of a demonic manifestation. Again I say had these been part of mans invention, then we simply can claim Satan is perverting them, however it is the reverse, Man is copying a demon and buying into an invention of Satan. Obviously then this is a total blasphemy and abomination to God. Do you still want one? Well nothing to stop you that’s free will. But can you be certain God will not mention it when judgment comes? Ghosts and Apparitions Yet another satanic invention, Ghosts are simply demons playing at taking on the identity of the dead, again designed to take mans attention and mind away from the truth and God. Look how many spiritualists etc there are and how many people who believe they have seen and even spoken to ghosts of people they know. Is it right to have any images to do with Ghosts? Of course not, so why do we have images and play things etc of such things in our homes? I think that’s enough to discuss. Lets keep it civil and remember that we all have free wills and can do what we like, if someone wants to do something that is up to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie Posted June 6, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 104 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,026 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/13/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted June 6, 2007 Does anybody have a theory as to why demons will attach themselves to certain houses/places and haunt them, and not others? This question is for those who believe in hauntings. Ovedya ...what say ye?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
None Posted June 6, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,513 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 5 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/05/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/01/1908 Share Posted June 6, 2007 I'd like to hear more on that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giaour Posted June 6, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted June 6, 2007 having trouble with quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarletprayers Posted June 6, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 135 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,537 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 157 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/29/1956 Share Posted June 6, 2007 I have sensed from some of you an attitude of it's not your problem, and those deceived deserve to go to hell. Well let me tell you, I also deserve to go to hell, as do you ,and every single one of us. None of us are worthy of a Savior! How great is the love of our awesome God that he should call us his children!!!!! When we put faeries and such in our homes, I think it shows that you take the spiritual battle not seriously, and that we see faeries as harmless. The temptation to go further into faeries can be extremely harmful, it can cause one to remain eternally separated from God. We have to think about the example we show to the world as Christians. Also, it is not enough that we do not regard them as idols, we are called to abstain from even just the very appearance of evil, and I think for very good reason! Emily, the problem is, this is a slippery slope, where do you stop? The Puritans are a prime example of taking things to far. Nothing but black clothing, no laughter on Sunday, list after list of the most innocent thing had become a "sin" in their eyes.......their list of "do nots" keep getting tighter and tight until there was no joy left in the Lord, and it blew up in the Salem Witch Trials. So was satan there, yes he was..............leading the Puritan Leaders on killing innocent people, from hysteria brought on by people wound just alittle to tightly. Thats what happens when people get hug up on "not offending" it doesn't matter what it is, you will find someone, somewhere it will offend. There are people who wont have any pictures of people or animals, because they can become idols, are you willing to give up your freedom in Christ for those people? You say above that its almost like we are saying they "deserve" to go to hell, well like you said, we all deserve it. There are people who just want to believe in those things and you'll never change them, or if you do the odds are it wouldn't be God they would turn to, but some other crazy New Age junk. Because thats what they WANT. They want their pretend and incense, and crystals, You can't make people want God, God wont even MAKE people come to Him. Because of your family ties, I understand 100% why you don't want those things around, but don't get caught up in the hysteria and the fables and myths of "possessed" items. Spirits and stuff oh yeah bad news............but don't waste your strength and joy on myths! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giaour Posted June 6, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted June 6, 2007 The parts in bold are the parts I disagree with most. Introduction We all have things within our homes that we know off and some that are hidden from us, long forgotten or its history unknown. Just how many of those things are honouring to God? How man of these things are as innocent as they seem, they could well be harboring bad spirits by creating a bad atmosphere and creating disharmony within the home. Here are my thoughts as to what we posses in our home, how we perceive them and what God most likely thinks of them. Bad spirits do not live in objects. Bad spirits roam the earth seeking those to devour. Satan's Perversion of Gods Creation for Evil Anything can be used for an evil purpose or be incorporated into occult ceremonies or spell casting. For example spells are often recorded on to a cassette tape, the tape is then spooled off and wrapped around objects, anchored to bottom of streams etc or simply left in certain places. This doesn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickilynn Posted June 6, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 138 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/13/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted June 6, 2007 Does anybody have a theory as to why demons will attach themselves to certain houses/places and haunt them, and not others? This question is for those who believe in hauntings. Ovedya ...what say ye?? Shalom Jamie, I believe definitely that demons are real and can present themselves to Christians. Why demons will appear in some places and not others is what I believe to be "openings" that we allow satan. We give satan a foothold in areas of our lives and we open the door to him and his demons. For example, through using a Ouija board even playing around. Through some role-playing games. Through objects that were created for evil or satanic purposes. We allow satan entrance into our lives by these actions I believe. We can also give satan a "foothold" by our spiritual attitudes and holding on to anger, bitterness etc. The Bible says we give the devil a foothold, or opportunity or place by our thoughts, actions, deeds. Ephesians 4:26-28 NIV 26"In your anger do not sin" Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold. 28He who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with his own hands, that he may have something to share with those in need. ESV 26Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, 27 and give no opportunity to the devil. 28Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need. KJV 26Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil. 28Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emily~Anne Posted June 6, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 146 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 2,308 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/11/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 6, 2007 I have sensed from some of you an attitude of it's not your problem, and those deceived deserve to go to hell. Well let me tell you, I also deserve to go to hell, as do you ,and every single one of us. None of us are worthy of a Savior! How great is the love of our awesome God that he should call us his children!!!!! When we put faeries and such in our homes, I think it shows that you take the spiritual battle not seriously, and that we see faeries as harmless. The temptation to go further into faeries can be extremely harmful, it can cause one to remain eternally separated from God. We have to think about the example we show to the world as Christians. Also, it is not enough that we do not regard them as idols, we are called to abstain from even just the very appearance of evil, and I think for very good reason! Emily, the problem is, this is a slippery slope, where do you stop? The Puritans are a prime example of taking things to far. Nothing but black clothing, no laughter on Sunday, list after list of the most innocent thing had become a "sin" in their eyes.......their list of "do nots" keep getting tighter and tight until there was no joy left in the Lord, and it blew up in the Salem Witch Trials. So was satan there, yes he was..............leading the Puritan Leaders on killing innocent people, from hysteria brought on by people wound just alittle to tightly. Thats what happens when people get hug up on "not offending" it doesn't matter what it is, you will find someone, somewhere it will offend. There are people who wont have any pictures of people or animals, because they can become idols, are you willing to give up your freedom in Christ for those people? You say above that its almost like we are saying they "deserve" to go to hell, well like you said, we all deserve it. There are people who just want to believe in those things and you'll never change them, or if you do the odds are it wouldn't be God they would turn to, but some other crazy New Age junk. Because thats what they WANT. They want their pretend and incense, and crystals, You can't make people want God, God wont even MAKE people come to Him. Because of your family ties, I understand 100% why you don't want those things around, but don't get caught up in the hysteria and the fables and myths of "possessed" items. Spirits and stuff oh yeah bad news............but don't waste your strength and joy on myths! I totally disagree that once you've chosen not to have oujia boards and gnomes in your home, that it is a 'slippery slope'. That's like saying, well once you've decided not to wear strappy belly baring tank tops and 1 inch inseam shorts, it's a real slippery slope and next thing you know, you'll be wearing a huge garbage bag every day. I promise you, I will never burn witches or live in a home barren of decor. However, gnomes and faeries will not be part of that decor. Carpet, ladders, pictures of animals, trees in my yard, black cats as pets are all OK and do not compare with oujia boards and gnomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarletprayers Posted June 6, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 135 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,537 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 157 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/29/1956 Share Posted June 6, 2007 I have sensed from some of you an attitude of it's not your problem, and those deceived deserve to go to hell. Well let me tell you, I also deserve to go to hell, as do you ,and every single one of us. None of us are worthy of a Savior! How great is the love of our awesome God that he should call us his children!!!!! When we put faeries and such in our homes, I think it shows that you take the spiritual battle not seriously, and that we see faeries as harmless. The temptation to go further into faeries can be extremely harmful, it can cause one to remain eternally separated from God. We have to think about the example we show to the world as Christians. Also, it is not enough that we do not regard them as idols, we are called to abstain from even just the very appearance of evil, and I think for very good reason! Emily, the problem is, this is a slippery slope, where do you stop? The Puritans are a prime example of taking things to far. Nothing but black clothing, no laughter on Sunday, list after list of the most innocent thing had become a "sin" in their eyes.......their list of "do nots" keep getting tighter and tight until there was no joy left in the Lord, and it blew up in the Salem Witch Trials. So was satan there, yes he was..............leading the Puritan Leaders on killing innocent people, from hysteria brought on by people wound just alittle to tightly. Thats what happens when people get hug up on "not offending" it doesn't matter what it is, you will find someone, somewhere it will offend. There are people who wont have any pictures of people or animals, because they can become idols, are you willing to give up your freedom in Christ for those people? You say above that its almost like we are saying they "deserve" to go to hell, well like you said, we all deserve it. There are people who just want to believe in those things and you'll never change them, or if you do the odds are it wouldn't be God they would turn to, but some other crazy New Age junk. Because thats what they WANT. They want their pretend and incense, and crystals, You can't make people want God, God wont even MAKE people come to Him. Because of your family ties, I understand 100% why you don't want those things around, but don't get caught up in the hysteria and the fables and myths of "possessed" items. Spirits and stuff oh yeah bad news............but don't waste your strength and joy on myths! I totally disagree that once you've chosen not to have oujia boards and gnomes in your home, that it is a 'slippery slope'. That's like saying, well once you've decided not to wear strappy belly baring tank tops and 1 inch inseam shorts, it's a real slippery slope and next thing you know, you'll be wearing a huge garbage bag every day. I promise you, I will never burn witches or live in a home barren of decor. However, gnomes and faeries will not be part of that decor. Carpet, ladders, pictures of animals, trees in my yard, black cats as pets are all OK and do not compare with oujia boards and gnomes. I think we are still talking about 2 different things here, I wouldn't have a oujia board in my house either, thats not what I'm saying. Never mind.......................I quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giaour Posted June 6, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted June 6, 2007 SP, I dont think that anyone is actually reading what either of us are typing. We have both said that anything that could be a stumbling block for someone else should be removed. We both agree that worshipping false idols is wrong. My disagreement comes from the OP's statements that demons can possess an object and transfer a bad atmosphere into your home. Nor can objects be 'spiritually cleansed". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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