undone Posted June 11, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 45 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 819 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/01/2006 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 11, 2007 No I'm one of those supposedly evil non-believers Ah! I understand.... So, by your understanding, what is a violation of Canada's hate speech law? Preaching that homosexuality is sin? Referring to people like Dawkins as "militant" atheists? Referring to Christians as mentally ill? Just curious.... Hate speech is a little murky however there is a clause that allows such speech to be permitted if it's religiously motivated. As long as you don't attempt to incite violence against a group of people. Link removed by moderator I read the link. Thanks for that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted June 11, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted June 11, 2007 How I am supposed to know that? You only gave me enough info to find one article, and not by name. The Science article concerns resistance to science if it clashes with early childhood teachings whose lessons become intuitive. The authors specifically cite the fundamentalist resistance of evolution but I didn't find mention of the belief in heaven or "belief in a purpose" as a delusion. In fact, the copy I read did not use the word "delusion" at all. Where did I use the word delusion? Tell you what, when you can actually comprehend what I'm saying (since I never argued for delusion or that they were calling us delusional), I'll finish the debate. Until then, I'll pray someone smarter than yourself comes along so I can have a real discussion on this. Or, I'll pray you'll go back and comprehend what I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lorax Posted June 11, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 183 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,892 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/07/1985 Share Posted June 11, 2007 How I am supposed to know that? You only gave me enough info to find one article, and not by name. The Science article concerns resistance to science if it clashes with early childhood teachings whose lessons become intuitive. The authors specifically cite the fundamentalist resistance of evolution but I didn't find mention of the belief in heaven or "belief in a purpose" as a delusion. In fact, the copy I read did not use the word "delusion" at all. Where did I use the word delusion? Tell you what, when you can actually comprehend what I'm saying (since I never argued for delusion or that they were calling us delusional), I'll finish the debate. Until then, I'll pray someone smarter than yourself comes along so I can have a real discussion on this. Or, I'll pray you'll go back and comprehend what I'm saying. Haha. Tail between your legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted June 11, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted June 11, 2007 How I am supposed to know that? You only gave me enough info to find one article, and not by name. The Science article concerns resistance to science if it clashes with early childhood teachings whose lessons become intuitive. The authors specifically cite the fundamentalist resistance of evolution but I didn't find mention of the belief in heaven or "belief in a purpose" as a delusion. In fact, the copy I read did not use the word "delusion" at all. Where did I use the word delusion? Tell you what, when you can actually comprehend what I'm saying (since I never argued for delusion or that they were calling us delusional), I'll finish the debate. Until then, I'll pray someone smarter than yourself comes along so I can have a real discussion on this. Or, I'll pray you'll go back and comprehend what I'm saying. Haha. Tail between your legs. It's not me running away. There is a clause in there. If you can tell me where I said atheists were calling Christians delusional, or where I based my argument on that, then we'll pick this up. If you come back and said you misunderstood it, I'll continue right where we left off. Ball's in your court. But hey, if it makes you feel like the big boy on campus to act like you've "won," go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lorax Posted June 11, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 183 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,892 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/07/1985 Share Posted June 11, 2007 It's not me running away. There is a clause in there. If you can tell me where I said atheists were calling Christians delusional, or where I based my argument on that, then we'll pick this up. If you come back and said you misunderstood it, I'll continue right where we left off. Ball's in your court. But hey, if it makes you feel like the big boy on campus to act like you've "won," go for it. Every argument I've seen you participate in has ended with you declaring yourself a superior intelligence and then walking away. This has been no exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted June 11, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted June 11, 2007 How I am supposed to know that? You only gave me enough info to find one article, and not by name. The Science article concerns resistance to science if it clashes with early childhood teachings whose lessons become intuitive. The authors specifically cite the fundamentalist resistance of evolution but I didn't find mention of the belief in heaven or "belief in a purpose" as a delusion. In fact, the copy I read did not use the word "delusion" at all. Where did I use the word delusion? Tell you what, when you can actually comprehend what I'm saying (since I never argued for delusion or that they were calling us delusional), I'll finish the debate. Until then, I'll pray someone smarter than yourself comes along so I can have a real discussion on this. Or, I'll pray you'll go back and comprehend what I'm saying. Haha. Tail between your legs. It's not me running away. There is a clause in there. If you can tell me where I said atheists were calling Christians delusional, or where I based my argument on that, then we'll pick this up. If you come back and said you misunderstood it, I'll continue right where we left off. Ball's in your court. But hey, if it makes you feel like the big boy on campus to act like you've "won," go for it. Every argument I've seen you participate in has ended with you declaring yourself a superior intelligence and then walking away. This has been no exception. Just going to insult me? Can't take up the challenge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lorax Posted June 11, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 183 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,892 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/07/1985 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Perhaps if you take up the challenge of reading and responding to my posts, namely the last one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apothanein kerdos Posted June 11, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 8,713 Content Per Day: 1.21 Reputation: 21 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/28/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted June 11, 2007 Perhaps if you take up the challenge of reading and responding to my posts, namely the last one. Why should I when you didn't get my argument straight? I'll leave it at this: It should be obvious to everyone here that you were unable to go back and explain the whole "delusion" argument. I asked for you to either show how I was arguing, "Atheists say we're delusional" or to say you misunderstood what I was saying. You couldn't explain it. If you want to declare 'victory' none-the-less, it's quite alright with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted June 11, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.95 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted June 11, 2007 The articles I presented don't even come close to what you are saying. They state that belief in a purpose, belief that you're going to Heaven, etc., all render you to have a mental illness. How I am supposed to know that? You only gave me enough info to find one article, and not by name. The Science article concerns resistance to science if it clashes with early childhood teachings whose lessons become intuitive. The authors specifically cite the fundamentalist resistance of evolution but I didn't find mention of the belief in heaven or "belief in a purpose" as a delusion. In fact, the copy I read did not use the word "delusion" at all. Lorax, it is so obvious you are playing the game of denial. I do recall seeing one or more articles posted in the Worthy News section where some scientist(s) or psychiatrist(s) had proclaimed belief in God, Heaven and Hell, etc. a mental illness. I used to belong to a science board, which I absolutely loved participating in, until the founder kept writing these kinds of proclamations in his blog: I don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Biblicist Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 From a Christian worldview perspective, can anyone shed light on the origins of the popularized brand of atheism we see today? I'm sure people have struggled with doubts since creation and according to atheists, you're born an atheist. The 18th-century French author Baron d'Holbach was one of the first self-described atheists. In The System of Nature (1770), he describes the universe in terms of philosophical materialism, strict determinism, and atheism. This and his Good Sense (1772) were condemned by the Parlement of Paris, and copies of the books were publicly burned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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