zecha51 Posted July 6, 2007 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 98 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/20/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted July 6, 2007 If this is in the wrong forum, I am sorry. How would you answer someone who says this.... "The gospels are biased. They were not stupid back then and simply made the story of Jesus fit in with the age old Jewish prophecies about the Messiah." Basically, someone who says the writers made the gospel accounts with a tweaked intent becuase they already had the OT, etc.... Can someone help with a good answer? I only have the verse that says "we were eyewitnesses of His majesty." Anybody have anything deeper? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted July 6, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted July 6, 2007 If this is in the wrong forum, I am sorry. How would you answer someone who says this.... "The gospels are biased. They were not stupid back then and simply made the story of Jesus fit in with the age old Jewish prophecies about the Messiah." Basically, someone who says the writers made the gospel accounts with a tweaked intent becuase they already had the OT, etc.... Can someone help with a good answer? I only have the verse that says "we were eyewitnesses of His majesty." Anybody have anything deeper? Thanks There are something like 300 prophesies regarding Jesus: When he would be born, where He would be born, and even how He would be born. It would have been nearly impossible for anyone to re-arrange all those prophesies to exactly match Jesus' birth. And even if they did, how would they have known that the infant Jesus would turn out to be such a great speaker and leader of men? They would have had to contrive the entire story. Smart people, sane people, intelligent people, do not die for what they know is a lie. They do not willingly lay down their lives for a conspiracy. The evidence that, not only was Jesus exactly who He claimed He was, but that all his followers faithfully and willingly suffered persecution and death for His name, is testimony of the authenticity of the Gospels. Also, there is no historical evidence that any part of the Torah was changed. That most certainly would have been documented by the historians of that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undone Posted July 6, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 45 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 819 Content Per Day: 0.12 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 6, 2007 I recommend A Case for Faith and A Case for Christ, by Lee Strobel. They aren't intended to be the end all of this debate but they go along way to avoid retreading the same information. Needless to say, there is compelling evidence for the validity of the Gospels. If you are truly interested in an answer and not simply trolling to stir up trouble, get these books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zecha51 Posted July 6, 2007 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 98 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/20/2007 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 6, 2007 (edited) Isaiah434 that does make the idea that the gospels were biasedly written to fit the prophecies seem kind of way off. These replies have helped a good preperation for answering this question, thanks. The point about the writers deing for their beliefs (like Paul being beheaded) is a great one imo. How is it that we know this though? It should not make you doubt imo, but for example we have lots of historical stuff by like Tacitus about Jesus. My Bible mentions it is by legend that Paul gets beheaded etc. Not saying it did not happen of course. Edited July 6, 2007 by zecha51 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLuke Posted July 6, 2007 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 58 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 628 Content Per Day: 0.09 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/07/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/09/1985 Share Posted July 6, 2007 Also there is the fact that Jesus the messiah isn't exactly what the Jews were expecting. They wanted a soldier/warrior king to rid them of the Roman oppression.. now if the writers were biased and trying to fit fiction to prophecy, surely they would have written in such a way to be what they wanted to see? Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massorite Posted July 6, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 38 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,973 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 36 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/26/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/13/1953 Share Posted July 6, 2007 If this is in the wrong forum, I am sorry. How would you answer someone who says this.... "The gospels are biased. They were not stupid back then and simply made the story of Jesus fit in with the age old Jewish prophecies about the Messiah." Basically, someone who says the writers made the gospel accounts with a tweaked intent becuase they already had the OT, etc.... Can someone help with a good answer? I only have the verse that says "we were eyewitnesses of His majesty." Anybody have anything deeper? Thanks Anybody who says that about the bible has read the bible or they have formed an opinion base on what they have heard and not what is true. This means that they are in rebellion against God and are just using that statment as an excuss not to face up to the truth. Don't cast your pearls to swine. Move on to someone else but pray for that person. That he/she might see the light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 "The gospels are biased. They were not stupid back then and simply made the story of Jesus fit in with the age old Jewish prophecies about the Messiah." Basically, someone who says the writers made the gospel accounts with a tweaked intent because they already had the OT, etc.... They May Quibble and Mock Jesus - They May Defame The Word Of God They Should Still Hear Jesus - Jesus - Jesus - Jesus Christ And Him Crucified Let Them Hear The Good News - Jesus Is Arisen Have You Heard... For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.John 3:16 Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING Love, Your Brother Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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