EricH Posted November 2, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 2, 2007 This is regularly said to mean that the anti christ make a peace treaty with Israel to start the tribulation and half way through it he breaks the treaty. that's exactly what it means every decent Bible scholar in the world understands that, but somehow you have them all trumped *shakes head* God help us This is actually an example of logical reasoning know as the "Appeal to Authority". It is not logically sound because it does not prove the point. Just because experts whith whom one agrees can be found to support ones position, does not mean those experts are right. Especially when othe resperts can be found who disagree. The nebulous "everyone thinks" or "we all know", are not proofs at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whirlwind Posted November 3, 2007 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 113 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/22/1946 Share Posted November 3, 2007 EricH thank you for your knowledge and understanding of truth and how it differs from common perception. I have been reading all the different interpretations of the time of the tribulation with interest. It is amazing how Christians can read one Book and come up with such different ideas. It must be part of God's plan. Allow me to add another consideration in this mix: Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. He is teaching about the end of days, the tribulation of Satan and tells us that He will shorten the days. What are the days shortened to? Revelation 9:5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months; and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months. Something to consider .........Whirlwind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whirlwind Posted November 4, 2007 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 113 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/22/1946 Share Posted November 4, 2007 He is teaching about the end of days, the tribulation of Satan and tells us that He will shorten the days. ? Can Satan do anything at all without God allowing it? Interesting question. I'm trying to apply your question to what I posted and may not understand what you are getting at. I believe your answer would be no....God allows him to do what he will. As to why He shortened the days (if that is your meaning) it is not a question of allowing Satan to do what he will but that he will be so very good at his deception that God's elect may be tempted to believe him. ...........Whirlwind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whirlwind Posted November 4, 2007 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 113 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/22/1946 Share Posted November 4, 2007 The point is the entire seven years represents the wrath of God, whihc is stated as early as Revelation 6. The phrase "Tribulation of Satan" is a an extra-Biblical construct. Do you believe it would take God seven years to bring His wrath down? Please be more explicit in your scriptural references. Where in Rev. 6 is your point made? I disagree in that the "tribulation of Satan is an extra-Biblical construct." Mark 13:24 but in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, Those days are the end of days and Christ is telling us there will be a tribulation and what will happen AFTER it. 25.And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken, 26.And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. He arrives AFTER the tribulation. When He arrives it is to "judge and make war." If you believe that the seven years is the wrath of Christ....where does Satan come into the picture? Why does Christ tell us he comes "after that tribulation?" What does "that tribulation" mean to you? 11 Thess.2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of peridtion. Why does Paul tell us that the son of perdition will cause people to fall away BEFORE Christ arrives? ...........Whirlwind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whirlwind Posted November 4, 2007 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 113 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/22/1946 Share Posted November 4, 2007 Do you believe it would take God seven years to bring His wrath down? Please be more explicit in your scriptural references. Where in Rev. 6 is your point made? the wrath of God is revealed from Revelation 6 onward http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?searc...&spanend=73 He arrives AFTER the tribulation At the Second Advent. The church meets the Lord in the air, and is judged for rewards in heaven. Israel is judged on earth, as described in the OT prophets. Everyone is judged on earth. He comes here to judge and make war. The judgment is here! Where did you read anyone is judged for rewards in heaven? ........Whirlwind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricH Posted November 7, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted November 7, 2007 Saints, please refrain from personal attacks. Remember the TOS: Debate the subject, not the person. It is possible to disagree about a doctrine or subject under discussion without insulting the person with whom you are debating. Also remember that the fact that a person disagrees with you does not mean they are attacking you as a person. Respect each other in the love of God! This is the main reason that threads get stopped, shut down, and even deleted! Users that cannot respect others will be banned. (Lev. 19:18) Thanks, the mod team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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