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  1. Shalom, iamlamad. Yes, He is the Head of every church - every ekkleesia kuriakon - every congregation of the Master. (You should know that I reject the notion of a "universal Church." It won't be "universal" until we are ALL together literally in the Resurrection. The whole point of a congregation being a "body" with each of its persons "members of that body" was to show how they supported one another. It's hard for a "finger" in Albuquerque to scratch a "nose" in Timbuktu!) As such, He IS my Master, and I am His bondservant, a servant in bonds, His bound-slave. However, being a "master" is significantly different than being a "king." A "king" is more than just a "person who commands." A "king" in Israel is also a "judge." In fact, he is "the supreme court judge," as was David and Shlomoh (Solomon)! Yeshua` (Jesus), the One greater than Shlomoh, will be the King reigning over His tribe Y'hudah (Judah). This takes His physical presence, which won't be until they can welcome Him back. (Matt. 23:37-39; Psalm 118:22-26) Then, He will be the King reigning over His nation Yisra'el (Israel). This will take a few more (3.5) years as (1) His more distant relatives, the members of the other tribes of Israel, are regathered into the Land, and as (2) they learn they can both trust Him and accept Him as their King. Then, as He conquers His enemies and subdues them, He will be a King over kings - the King of kings - a World Emperor. Make no mistake, this will take time to accomplish. In fact, He takes a MILLENNIUM to accomplish this goal! (1 Cor. 15:20-28; Rev. 20:1-7) But, the prophecy was (and still is)... Luke 1:30-33 30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS (Greek: Ieesous [pronounced "yay-SOOS"] = Hebrew: Yeeshuwa` [pronounced "yay-SHOO-`ah"]; Greek doesn't have a letter close to a Hebrew `ayin and used a sigma to approximate a Hebrew shin; it also used the ending sigma for a proper name; the 1611 English pronounced "JESUS" as "yay-SOOS"). 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob [Israel] for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. KJV This has not yet begun and will not begin until He returns. The Scriptures do NOT call any "church," or even a collection of all the "churches," a "Kingdom!" Regarding God dwelling in our spirit, it's not about "spirit" or "body"; He dwells in US, and WE are living bodies, living air-breathers, living souls! God does not dwell in our "breath!" When Yeshua` told Pontius Pilate that "His kingdom was not of this world," He did NOT say that it was not of this EARTH! The Greek word is "kosmos" which means a "world-SYSTEM!" It'll take a pardigm shift in your thinking, but what He was saying was that His Kingdom will not be LIKE the other kingdoms of this world. They have hierarchies of governorship, exercising lordship over others. In Yeshua`s Kingdom, it'll be the SERVANT who is honored. Matthew 20:25-28 25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. 26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister (a waiter); 27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: 28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. KJV You really need to learn to read the whole context of a passage: John 18:33-40 33 Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews (the children of Y'hudah or Judah)? 34 Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me? 35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done? 36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. 37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice. 38 Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all. 39 But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews? 40 Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber. KJV It was not yet even about Yeshua` being the King of Israel. So far in the narrative, it was about Yeshua` being the King of the Jews or the King of Y'hudah, His OWN tribe, just one of the twelve! Remember Yeshua`s parable: Luke 19:11-28 11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. 12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. 13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us. 15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds. 17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. 18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds. 19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities. 20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: 21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow. 22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow: 23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury? 24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds. 25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.) 26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. 27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. 28 And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem. KJV The ekkleesiai kuriakoon ("churches") are absolutely NOT His Kingdom, although they are full of subjects FOR His Kingdom when it arrives! Now, regarding the "churches," whether they've done such a great job, despite the understanding some have of "the great exchange," listed for us in 2 Corinthians 5:21, many called "Christians" don't have this knowledge. They still believe that "if their good deeds outweigh their bad deeds, then they will make it to Heaven." It's like they've missed the following passages in Scripture: Luke 18:9-14 9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican (a tax collector for Rome; a self-serving traitor and mercenary). 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. 12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. 13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. KJV 2 Corinthians 5:17-21 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ (God, who exchanged places with us by Jesus Christ), and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation (the service of exchanging places); 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself (God was in Christ, exchanging places with the world), not imputing their trespasses unto them (not counting the overstepping of their bounds against them); and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation (the message about exchanging places). 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God (exchange places with God). 21 For he (God) hath made him (Christ) to be sin for us, who (Christ) knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him (Christ). KJV So, there is a dichotomy: There are some who think they can make it on their own merits, and there are others who know that "even their righteous deeds are as filthy rags" and that they need God's intervention. Therefore, tell me again how well the "churches" are doing? Are you so sure that all who name the name of Christ and call themselves "Christian" are truly born again? I'm reminded of a sermon I heard as a boy by an evangelist, "Uncle" Paul Lambert, entitled "What's in the pot at the end of the beautiful ecumenical rainbow?" His conclusion was, "There's DEATH in the pot!" And, on a practical note, we have hardly BEGUN to herald the good news about the Kingdom! By twisting things around, thinking that "the Church is the Kingdom," we've concluded that the "gospel" or the "good news" belongs to the "Church, God's Kingdom," and therefore we ARE preaching the good news belonging to the Kingdom when we preach the "death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ." But, this is an error! We are supposed to be preaching the good news (or "gospel") ABOUT God's Kingdom! And, what is that good news? Well, first, it's the good news that both Yochanan the Immerser (John the Baptist) and Yeshua` the Messiah (Jesus the Christ) both heralded: Mark 1:14-15 14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching (Greek: keerussoon = heralding) the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. KJV He didn't need to explain what that was; all the Jews knew it because they read the Messianic passages of Scripture at least once each year: Isaiah 52:7-10 7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation (deliverance; rescue); that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth! 8 Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice together shall they sing: for they shall see eye to eye, when the LORD shall bring again Zion. 9 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the LORD hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem. 10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation (deliverance; rescue) of our God. KJV And, we need to herald this good news, because Yeshua` said, ... Matthew 24:14 14 And this gospel of the kingdom (good news about the Kingdom) shall be preached (heralded) in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. KJV I don't think we done a very good job of doing that. So, how can Yeshua` return?
  2. Shalom, iamlamad. Did you know that the word "Islam" means "submission?" God doesn't need us to "submit"; we are already GREATLY outdone by His omnipotence. Don't you remember the Torah (which, btw, means "Instruction," not "Law")? Deuteronomy 6:4-5 4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one Lord: 5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. KJV Deuteronomy 7:1-15 1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou; 2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them: 3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. 4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly. 5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire. 6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. 7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: 8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt. 9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; 10 And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face. 11 Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them. 12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers: 13 And he will love thee, and bless thee, and multiply thee: he will also bless the fruit of thy womb, and the fruit of thy land, thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep, in the land which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee. 14 Thou shalt be blessed above all people: there shall not be male or female barren among you, or among your cattle. 15 And the LORD will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee. KJV Leviticus 19:1-18 1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy. 3 Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God. 4 Turn ye not unto idols, nor make to yourselves molten gods: I am the LORD your God. 5 And if ye offer a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD, ye shall offer it at your own will. 6 It shall be eaten the same day ye offer it, and on the morrow: and if ought remain until the third day, it shall be burnt in the fire. 7 And if it be eaten at all on the third day, it is abominable; it shall not be accepted. 8 Therefore every one that eateth it shall bear his iniquity, because he hath profaned the hallowed thing of the LORD: and that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 9 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest. 10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God. 11 Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another. 12 And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD. 13 Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning. 14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD. 15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. 16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD. 17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. 18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD. KJV Key word? LOVE! "God is LOVE!" However, most people confuse real "love" with the emotion called "love." As Dr. James Dobson has said, "Children spell 'love' 'T-I-M-E.'" Real love is the spelled the same. It's INVOLVEMENT! When someone is INVOLVED in another's life, in another's well-being, THAT is true love. When someone is even willing to give up his or her own life to preserve the life of another, that's REAL love! People have accused the God of the Old Testament of being angry, severe, and a God of wrath. But, that's NOT who the God of the Old Testament was! He was (and is) a God of PROTECTION! He was a God who gave His all to keep the grandbabies of Avraham, Yitschaq, and Ya`aqov away from harm! (We always say "children of Israel," but I don't think we always realize the REALITY of that phrase!) "Has He done a terrible job with His church?" No, but He's NOT HERE, YET! It's WE who have done a terrible job with His church! Chew on that for a while. There's more to say to your little misunderstandings, but I haven't the time tonight.
  3. Shalom, my Sister. But, it's this dichotomous thinking that is so DEADLY to the understanding of God's Word! It's not better; it's WORSE! And, for the umpteenth time, I HATE the words "spiritual" and "spiritually!" Nobody EVER uses these words correctly!
  4. Shalom, inchrist. Sorry, but this is nonsense. The church is not a nation so the church can be alongside the Messiah even though He is "fighting alone?" Can't you see how ridiculous that is? Furthermore, not "all nations are against Israel." A proper read of Zechariah 12:1-7 is... Zechariah 12:1-7 1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. 2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. 3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. 4 In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness. 5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God. 6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem. 7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah. KJV This verse 3 is NOT all-inclusive. What it is saying is that all those who gather against Jerusalem will hurt themselves; literally, they will herniate themselves, trying to lift it! The words "all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces" is the Hebrew phrase "kaal `omceyhaa saarowT yisaareeTuw." "All who-lift-it will-definitely gash-themselves." That describes a person getting a hernia from trying to lift too large a weight. Furthermore, we have Yeshua`s words in Matthew 25: Matthew 25:31-46 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. KJV Therefore, there will be some nations who are "sheep" nations who partake in God's Kingdom, while there will be some who are "goat" nations who shall NOT partake in God's Kingdom, and Yeshua` says "Goodbye" to them. Here, I basically agree with you, but this doesn't make it all-inclusive, either. I don't know what version of the Bible you are using, but it seems to be a little too broad of a perspective. Here's the World English Bible on verses 2-4, for instance: Isaiah 34:2-4 2 For Yahweh is enraged against all the nations, And angry with all their armies. He has utterly destroyed them. He has given them over for slaughter. 3 Their slain will also be cast out, And the stench of their dead bodies will come up; And the mountains will melt in their blood. 4 All of the army of the sky will be dissolved. The sky will be rolled up like a scroll, And all its armies will fade away, As a leaf fades from off a vine or a fig tree. WEB This is more accurate to the text of the Hebrew Bible. Guess what an "army of the sky" would be called today? How about an "air force?"
  5. Shalom, my Sister. You were okay with all this UNTIL you got to the "Babylon" part. At NO time in the Scriptures is Edowm called "Babylon" (or rather "Bavel"). They are two ENTIRELY different places. Edowm is south of the Dead Sea on the border between Israel and Jordan, and Babylon (or Bavel) is on the east side of the Euphrates River in the Fertile Crescent now called "Iraq." That's a false conclusion, and it got you into trouble here: Actually, you should already understand that the Messiah was NOT killed in the land of Edowm. He was killed just outside Yerushalayim (Jerusalem), in the Land of Y'hudah (Judah) or Judaea (from Iudaea in Latin). Sorry, but this is just too much spin on the Scriptures. You (as well as others) need to quit allegorizing ("spiritualizing" falsely so called) Scripture.
  6. Shalom, Sister. Here are some things I think you may have missed: First, in Isaiah 63, it's best to read the whole passage. In fact, as a side note, it would be wise for all of us to be sure that what we THINK we are reading is what we are ACTUALLY reading. The prophecy of Yesha`yahuw (Isaiah) is all ONE prophecy! Sometimes, I think we forget that this BOOK is the prophecy. We need to read the whole book several times to be sure of what we are reading, and I would suggest, if one can eke out the time, to read the book in a single setting. I know it's 66 chapters long, but if one is using a version that he or she understands well, one can do it in a couple of hours at the most. We so often zero in on a single chapter or even a single verse that we neglect the rest of the prophecy. We must remember that chapter and verse divisions are ARBITRARY and were added as addressing techniques much after the writing of the book. For instance, don't let a chapter division make you think that the texts of the two chapters are different and disconnected. In the original manuscripts, those chapter divisions weren't there, and the writing flowed from one right into the other. Some chapter and verse divisions made sense. Others make no sense at all! This is why my posts get so long. One must look at a verse within the context of the whole book for it to make the sense that the author (and the Author) of the book intended! See, now I'm about to do it again, but what I am conveying to you is but a PORTION of the whole, even though it is more than most would include: Isaiah 61:10-63:9 10 I am so joyful in Adonai! My soul rejoices in my God, for he has clothed me in salvation (rescue; deliverance), dressed me with a robe of triumph, like a bridegroom wearing a festive turban, like a bride adorned with her jewels. 11 For just as the earth brings forth its plants, or a garden makes its plants spring up, so Adonai, God, will cause victory and glory to spring up before all nations. 62:1 For Tziyon’s sake I will not be silent, for Yerushalayim’s sake I will not rest, until her vindication shines out brightly and her salvation (rescue; deliverance) like a blazing torch. 2 The nations will see your vindication and all kings your glory. Then you will be called by a new name which Adonai himself will pronounce. 3 You will be a glorious crown in the hand of Adonai, a royal diadem held by your God. 4 You will no longer be spoken of as ‘Azuvah [Abandoned] or your land be spoken of as ‘Sh’mamah [Desolate]; rather, you will be called Heftzi-Vah [My-Delight-Is-In-Her] and your land Be‘ulah [Married]. For Adonai delights in you, and your land will be married — 5 as a young man marries a young woman, your sons will marry you; as a bridegroom rejoices over the bride, your God will rejoice over you. 6 I have posted watchmen on your walls, Yerushalayim; they will never fall silent, neither by day nor by night. You who call on Adonai, give yourselves no rest; 7 and give him no rest till he restores Yerushalayim and makes it a praise on earth. 8 Adonai has sworn by his right hand and by his mighty arm: “Never again will I give your grain to your enemies as food; nor will strangers drink your wine, for which you worked so hard; 9 but those who harvest the grain will eat it with praises to Adonai; those who gathered the wine will drink it in the courtyards of my sanctuary.” 10 Go on through, go on through the gates, clear the way for the people! Build up a highway, build it up! Clear away the stones! Raise a banner for the peoples! 11 Adonai has proclaimed to the end of the earth, “Say to the daughter of Tziyon, ‘Here, your Salvation (Yish`eekh = your-Yeshua`) is coming! Here, his reward is with him, and his recompense is before him.’” 12 They will call them The Holy People, The Redeemed of Adonai. You will be called D’rushah [Sought-After], ‘Ir Lo Ne‘ezvah [City-No-Longer-Abandoned]. 63:1 Who is this, coming from Edom, from Botzrah with clothing stained crimson (blood-red), so magnificently dressed, so stately in his great strength? “It is I, who speak victoriously, I, well able to save (rescue; deliver).” 2 Why is your apparel red, your clothes like someone treading a winepress? 3 “I have trodden the winepress alone; from the peoples, not one was with me. So I trod them in my anger, trampled them in my fury; so their lifeblood spurted out on my clothing, and I have stained all my garments; 4 for the day of vengeance that was in my heart and my year of redemption have come. 5 I looked, but there was no one to help, and I was appalled that no one upheld me. Therefore my own arm brought me salvation (rescue; deliverance [for his people]), and my own fury upheld me. 6 In my anger I trod down the peoples [the enemies of his own people], made them drunk with my fury, then poured out their lifeblood on the earth.” 7 I will recall the grace of Adonai and the praises of Adonai, because of all that Adonai has granted us and his great goodness toward the house of Isra’el, which he bestowed on them in keeping with his mercy, in keeping with the greatness of his grace. 8 For he said, “They are indeed my people, children who are not disloyal.” So he became their Savior (Rescuer; Deliverer). 9 In all their troubles he was troubled; then the Angel (Messenger) of His Presence saved them; in his love and pity he redeemed them. CJB We can zero in on certain subpassages that go together toward a particular subtopic, but bear in mind that the subpassage is only a PART of the whole. Yeshua` is here talking about how, when He first arrived, there was no one to FIGHT along side of Him; so, He took on this first battle ALONE! This first battle was not in the valley of Y'howshafat but in Edowm, specifically in the region of the city Botsrah, which is south of the Dead Sea on the Israeli-Jordanian border, 25 miles SSE of the Dead Sea. Revelation 19 is after this battle. (Indeed, Isaiah 63:1-9 is also technically after this battle! Notice: "Who is this, coming from Edom, from Botzrah...." He is already returning from the battle!) Revelation 19:11-16 11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND Lord OF LordS. KJV Notice: Here, He has an army following Him that wasn't with Him before. Here, His clothes have ALREADY BEEN DIPPED IN BLOOD! Here, He is about to smite the NATIONS (PLURAL)! After all, who says that He can't stomp the grapes more than once? Different place (Valley of Jehoshafat instead of Edowm), different peoples (kings of the nations instead of Botsrah), different time. It's a different vat of grapes!
  7. Shalom, angels4u. Yes; so far, I can agree with you.
  8. Shalom, Marilyn. Okay, got it. So far, I can agree with you. The only things that makes me uneasy about how you said it are the words "proclamations" and "declarations." They seem a bit ... nebulous, especially in light of the term, "vision." So, I may have to qualify how we agree, but so far we're in agreement.
  9. Shalom, missmuffet. I totally agree with you.
  10. Shalom, Sister. I was wondering who would actually broach this argument. I had alluded to it before, but now I must confront it head on. His death, burial and resurrection was NOT an "old battle," let alone a "first, spiritual battle." It was a SACRIFICE! His only "battle" was with Himself the night before as He prayed for the cup to pass from Him. Hebrews 9:24-10:18 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; 26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, 16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. KJV No, my Sister, this is NOT Yeshua`s own blood.
  11. Shalom, inchrist. It's only a "wedding theme" in the imagination of your mind! That is most certainly NOT the meaning of Revelation 19! <Sigh.> Check it out again: Revelation 19:11-21 11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven (in the middle of the sky), Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. KJV This is the context of WAR and its aftermath! It has NOTHING to do with a "wedding theme!" After all, that "supper of the great God" is certainly NOT a "marriage supper!" Did YOU invite buzzards and vultures to YOUR wedding? Enough of the symbolism! It's the great distraction to this modern age of "Christianity!" It's time to get your feet back on solid ground!
  12. And, for the record, I get it better than most. I just know that there's absolutely NO SUCH THING as a "spiritual Kingdom." It's really an oxymoron! As I've said reverently before, if our Master Yeshua` is currently reigning, then He would be the most INEFFECTUAL King on the face of the earth! How can you have a King who is supposed to rule the world who can't even deal with the weakest of enemies? That's how I KNOW that He is not currently reigning. ON THE OTHER HAND, He SHALL return, and He SHALL begin His LITERAL Kingdom, and at that time you will wonder how you could have EVER have thought that He was reigning before His return! It will be like night and day!
  13. Well, you would be. Shabbat shalom, iamlamad. Haven't you been following along? The "within you" should actually be "AMONG YOU (PLURAL)!" Everybody misuses and ABUSES this verse beyond measure! (Btw, do you know that "abuse" means to "abnormally use?") The Kingdom of God is NOT inside an individual - ANY individual. It was, that day, AMONG the Pharisees in the person of the Master, Yeshua` the Messiah, who was the embodiment of the Kingdom, as its future King. Yeshua` (Jesus) wouldn't be saying that the Kingdom of God was within each of the Pharisees, would He? And yet, THEY are the ones to whom He was speaking! ALWAYS read the WHOLE context: Luke 17:20-21 20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. KJV Yeshua` was simply saying, "You don't have to go looking for the arrival of the Kingdom, nor will anyone say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'Look, there it is!' For, look! The Kingdom of God is right here among all of you (because I am right here among all of you)!" HOWEVER, when Yeshua` left this earth, He took the offer of the Kingdom with Him. He rescinded His offer to that generation in favor of a future one. Now, He left us to "occupy until He comes," and we can make subjects for His future Kingdom, but HE'S NOT BACK, YET! And, He shall NOT return until He is welcomed back! And, He shall THEN bring His Kingdom WITH HIM! Matthew 6:9-10 9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. KJV That's not "Thy kingdom (is) come" but "(LET) Thy kingdom come!" People today think the Kingdom of God should immediately appear, but it's not yet time: Matthew 21:33-46 33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: 34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. 35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. 36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise. 37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. 38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. 39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. 40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? 41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. 42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. 45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. 46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet. KJV Luke 19:11-15, 26-28 11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. 12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. 13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us. 15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. ... 26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. 27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. 28 And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem. KJV Matthew 23:37-39 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed (Welcome) is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. KJV Acts 1:6-12 6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. 9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven (toward the sky) as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven (into the sky)? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven (into the sky), shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven (into the sky). 12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey. KJV Matthew 25:31-34 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: ... KJV The Kingdom comes AFTER Yeshua` has returned!
  14. Shabbat shalom, inchrist. Sorry, but that's not good enough. The word translated "dipped" in Revelation 19:13 is "bebammenon," a form of the word "baptoo": NT:911 baptoo (bap'-to); a primary verb; to overwhelm, i.e. cover wholly with a fluid; in the N. T. only in a qualified or specially, sense, i.e. (literally) to moisten (a part of one's person), or (by implication) to stain (as with dye): KJV - dip. (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.) It's the root of the word "baptizoo": NT:907 baptizoo (bap-tid'-zo); from a derivative of NT:911; to immerse, submerge; to make overwhelmed (i.e. fully wet); used only (in the N. T.) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism: KJV - Baptist, baptize, wash. (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.) We're not just seeing a little blood on the hem of His garment nor is it a little more blood spattered on the skirt of His robe. This is a TOTAL SUBMERSION of the garment in blood to stain it THOROUGHLY! It was not white with some red on it; it was red all over! That does NOT fit the scenario you're trying to paint here.
  15. Shabbat shalom, Marilyn. Yes, it's quite an "apt picture." However, that still doesn't answer the "when" problem ... UNLESS you're now saying that it was done BEFORE Revelation 19:13. Is that what you're saying? Could you give some detail?