Retrobyter

Shalom, Keras. This is insane. Why don't you READ what was written and quit this NONSENSE! Isaiah 13:1-17 1 The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see. 2 Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them, shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles. 3 I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness. 4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of hosts mustereth the host of the battle. 5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, even the LORD, and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land. 6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. 7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt: 8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames. 9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. 10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. 11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. 12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. 13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger. 14 And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up: they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land. 15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. 16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. 17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it. KJV Verse 13, a part of this "burden of Babylon," has ALREADY HAPPENED IN HISTORY! Therefore, your interpretation of verse 13 is WRONG! THIS particular "day of YHWH" has already occurred! CONTEXT! CONTEXT! CONTEXT!

Shabbat shalom, all. This is why it is so IMPORTANT to understand how the Jewish calendar works. This calendar has been in existence since the days that Mosheh (Moses) led the children of Israel out of Egypt! While the months were true "moonths"; that is, they were on a lunar cycle, the year was based on the crops, as to when planting was best and when one could expect a harvest! This was more in line with a true solar year cycle, which is attuned to the seasons. They had FOUR "New Year Days": The civil New Year (which is still used today, 1 Tishrei) called "Ro'sh haShannah," the religious New Year (which was the basis for the Passover, 1 Nisan), which synchronized the solar cycle and the lunar cycle, the New Year of Trees (15 Shevat), the time when fruit trees came into harvest, and the New Year for the Tithing of Cattle (1 Elul), the time when new calves are old enough to be used as offerings.. The month always varied between 29 and 30 days, because the lunar month is 29.5 days long. Therefore, 42 months on the JEWISH calendar is 42 months x 29.5 days/month = 1,239 days. This is SHORTER than the 1,260 days by 1,260 days - 1,239 days = 21 days! Since the solar year is always the same, it is NEVER equal to 12 months x 30 days/month = 360 days! That's too short by 5.2422 days/year! At 3.5 years, this adds up! It becomes 5.2422 days/year x 3.5 years = 18.3477 days! Therefore, a "time, times, and half a time" becomes 3.5 years x 365.2422 days/year = 1,278.3477 days! This is LONGER than the 1,260 days by 1,278.3477 days - 1,260 days = 18.3477 days! Therefore, these are NOT three ways to say the same time period! They are THREE DIFFERENT time periods, each with its own purpose!

Shabbat shalom, Daniel 11:36. If you use the "Quote" button, it will register in my account as a response. If you don't use the "Quote" button, it may take a while for me to give an answer to your responses, as I don't always see them right away. As per Yeshua` Himself, we ARE already in the great tribulation: Matthew 24:15-31 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ," or "there"; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, he is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, he is in the secret chambers"; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. KJV The companion passages found in the Synoptic Gospels are... Mark 13:14-27 14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: 15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: 16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. 17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. 19 For in those days shall be affliction (Greek: thlipsis = "tribulation"), such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. 20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. 21 And then if any man shall say to you, "Lo, here is Christ"; or, "lo, he is there"; believe him not: 22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. 23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. 24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. KJV and... Luke 21:20-28 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. KJV Thus, these days of vengeance, these days of tribulation, began in the FIRST CENTURY with the Diaspora of the Jews and did not/will not end until the Messiah returns, when the Son of man comes in a cloud of the clouds with power and great glory, which is yet in our future! This makes the great tribulation almost 2000 years in length! If you think that the "70th week of Daniel" is the tribulation period, you're confusing the tribulation with the offer of the Kingdom to Israel.

Shalom, Keras. You truly don't understand, do you? Faith doesn't make one worthy; faith gives GOD the liberty to give eternal life on one's behalf because Yeshua` the Messiah was worthy! There is NO power in faith! There is only power in the One GOD in whom one places his or her faith! "Resisting Satan's wiles" is performing WORKS for one's acceptance by God! "To resist" implies that one might NOT choose to resist or might SUCCUMB to the wiles. Isaiah 64:5-7 5 Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved. 6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. 7 And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities. KJV Anything that smacks of having to DO something to qualify for God's acceptance and eternal life, is something WE would have to do. However, God's GRACE is given freely WITHOUT our participation. In fact, if we try to "earn" it in ANY way, we would have some way to boast. BUT, boasting is EXCLUDED! Romans 3:20-31 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without (outside of) the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without (outside of) the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. KJV Notice how the two are justified differently! The circumcised are justified BY faith, and the uncircumcised are justified THROUGH faith. If you would learn the difference, PERHAPS you could learn to understand that God will justify BOTH groups! YOU, sir, have made one of the BIGGEST BLUNDERS that any person could make! Ever hear of STEREOTYPING?! Allow me to define it for you, in case you've forgotten: stereotype - a widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing: the stereotype of the woman as the carer | sexual and racial stereotypes. Not all Jews are "atheists," "apostates," "arrogant," "LGBT," OR "Jesus haters!" SHAME ON YOU! Are all Kiwis “sheep herders?” Are all Kiwis “hobbits” or “wizards” from Middle Earth? Are all Kiwis “Aucklanders?” Is New Zealand really “100% pure?” Is everything really so expensive in New Zealand? You should KNOW what "stereotypes" are! Do you think for one moment that Yeshua` the Messiah of God would make the mistake of thinking every Jew was the same? That every Jew was blind in heart? That every Jew would reject Him? It was the Jewish LEADERSHIP at the time that Yeshua` was crucified that were "the builders who rejected the capstone, thinking it didn't have a place in the construction of the pyramid!" (Psalm 118:22.) Furthermore, what were WE before the Messiah?! Is it totally impossible for God to redeem a people who are guilty of crimes - sins - against God? 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such WERE some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. KJV Yes, it will be a remnant of Jews who are rescued, but that says NOTHING about the other tribes of the children of Israel! Furthermore, that says NOTHING about the Jews and other children of Israel who are returned in the Resurrection! I don't put the "churches" in some "Heaven!" I put the churches where they belong, here on earth ruling and reigning over this world WITH THE MESSIAH when He comes! They won't all live in Israel! They SHALL have "dual citizenship" in that they are part of the Messiah's Kingdom, but they will be ruling and reigning over the various places in which they GREW UP! Most know the verses in Revelation 20: Revelation 20:1-6 1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. KJV It's those who are resurrected in the first resurrection, which is MORE than just those who were beheaded, btw, who live and reign with the Messiah for a THOUSAND YEARS! That's a VERY LONG TIME! (MUCH longer than some mere "seven years" or "three and a half years" that most go on and on about!) Over whom are they reigning? They are not instantaneously reigning, but will be "kings in training" at first, and they will eventually be reigning over those who are left to go into the Messiah's Kingdom from all the nations of the world! That's what the parables of Matthew 13 are about and what Yeshua` was talking about when He said in Matthew 25: Matthew 25:14-46 14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods. 15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey. 16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents. 17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two. 18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money. 19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them. 20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more. 21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. 22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them. 23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. 24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed: 25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine. 26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: 27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. 28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. 29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. 30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. KJV This is a WAR TRIBUNAL! He's not judging individuals; He's judging NATIONS! And, those nations who treated His brothers kindly, He accepts for His Kingdom as tributary nations! Those who did NOT treat His brothers and sisters kindly will be ignored and will eventually go away into everlasting punishment as NATIONS! If individuals choose to leave these nations, they MAY still be a part of the Messiah's Kingdom through a different nation, but they may face many trials trying to get there. Lukas says it this way: Luke 19:11-28 11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh (close) to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. 12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. 13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us. 15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds. 17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. 18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds. 19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities. 20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: 21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow. 22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow: 23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury? 24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds. 25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.) 26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. 27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. 28 And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem. KJV So, these servants of the King will have authority over as many cities as they had demonstrated their loyalty to the King and had been resourceful in how His "pounds" or "talents" had been used while He was away. These "X number of cities" will NOT be in Israel (although some COULD be); they will be WORLD-WIDE as the King's Kingdom grows like the mustard seed!

Shalom, Keras. Now, back to your statements here. Yes, "the people of God were those who put their faith in Him, as Abraham, Elijah, David, etc did," and we have the great Faith Chapter (Hebrews 11) that demonstrates HOW these men and women put their FAITH in Him. That's why Hebrews 11 starts with the statement, Hebrews 11:1 1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. KJV Faith is NOT just "things hoped for" or "things not seen." It's SUBSTANCE and EVIDENCE! What is this "substance?" It is the very writings themselves in the Tanakh (the OT); it's NOT just a set of fanciful stories! The actual parchment and ink, or even the stone tablets and chisel marks, are indeed SUBSTANCE! They are the PHYSICAL RECORDS of the deeds of these human beings that demonstrated their trust in God! The EVIDENCE is the set of proofs for the trust that these individuals placed in God that were physically recorded for our benefit. We have CONCRETE PROOF that these men and women trusted God in ways that most would find very hard or even impossible to do themselves. Regarding Revelation 3:21, the verse has NOTHING to do with being "worthy!" How would you or anyone be "worthy" enough to receive the promise of eternal life? Furthermore, the word "worthy" is NOT in the verse! What the verse actually says is, I will give to the subduer/overcomer to sit with me on my dais, like I subdued/overcame and have sat down with my Father on His dais. Now, the Jewish redemption SHALL happen, and no amount of denial on your part is going to change that fact. God's promise was to the SAME CHILDREN OF ISRAEL which God led out of Egypt, not some NEW group of people that God now supposedly calls "Israel" in their place! You've got to understand that, if God doesn't keep His promises to Avraham, Yitschaq, Israel, Yhudah, and David, as well as all those in between and after David, then He would be a LIAR and a RENEGER! One of the words that is attributed to YHWH God is "checed" which means a "COVENANT KEEPING" God! The word is often translated "lovingkindness," but its primary meaning is that God KEEPS HIS COVENANTS, and the covenant that He made with Avraham was UNCONDITIONAL! It was a ONE-SIDED covenant, evidenced by the fact that Avraham was incapacitated while God ALONE passed through the pieces of the animals, striking the covenant with him. You've got this STRANGE notion that we can be "victorious ones over the wiles of Satan and the temptations of this world!" You've somehow forgotten the basic fact that we must cry, Luke 18:13 ... God be merciful to me a sinner. KJV and Romans 15:13 13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost. KJV Most often, the "overcomer/victor" is just "along for the ride" and has done NOTHING noteworthy to be accepted by God's grace!

Shalom, Heleadethme. My point is this: Animals have "spirits," just like human beings do, and animals ARE "souls," just like human beings ARE! The difference between animals and human beings is NOT that human beings have any sort of different "spirits" or "souls"; the difference is that human beings were made in the image of God, and animals were not. You made the claim, "God did not breathe into them HIS spirit breath." ACTUALLY, HE DID! The Hebrew word that was used in Genesis 2:7 for "breathing" into Adam the breath of life was "vayipach," which means "and-He-puffed." (The Strong's Concordance number is 5301.) And, the "breath of life" itself is the Hebrew phrase "nishmat chayiym," which means "a-puff of-lives (plural)." (The Strong's Concordance number for "nishmat" is 5397.) We find the same phrase, "nishmat chayiym," in Genesis 7:22: Genesis 7:15-24 15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life. 16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in. 17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. 18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. 19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. 20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. 21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: 22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. 23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. 24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days. KJV How did these animals get the "puff of lives" if God didn't "puff" it in them? And, another word that shows up in Genesis 7:22 is "ruwach," which is often translated as "Spirit" and means the "Wind!" Whatever it is that you think was a more important point that I supposedly "missed," this is the message I'm trying to get across to you. The words "soul" and "spirit" are NOT unique to human beings!

Shalom, Heleadethme. But, that's my point! Animals ARE "living souls!" If you look up the word "nefesh" in the Englishman's Concordance of the Bible, you will find that the word describes animals as well as human beings! Here are some references that use the word "nefesh" for animals: 42 instances in 32 verses (I think) Genesis 1:20 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. KJV Genesis 1:21 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. KJV Genesis 1:24 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. KJV Genesis 1:30 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. KJV Genesis 2:19 19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. KJV Genesis 9:4 4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. KJV Genesis 9:10 10 And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth. KJV Genesis 9:12 12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: KJV Genesis 9:15 15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh. KJV Genesis 9:16 16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth. KJV Genesis 12:5 5 And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came. KJV Genesis 14:21 21 And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself. KJV Leviticus 11:10 10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: KJV Leviticus 11:46 46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth: KJV Leviticus 17:11 11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. KJV Leviticus 17:14 14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off. KJV Leviticus 22:11 11 But if the priest buy any soul with his money, he shall eat of it, and he that is born in his house: they shall eat of his meat. KJV Leviticus 24:18 18 And he that killeth a beast shall make it good; beast for beast. KJV Numbers 6:6 6 All the days that he separateth himself unto the LORD he shall come at no dead body. KJV Deuteronomy 12:23 23 Only be sure that thou eat not the blood: for the blood is the life; and thou mayest not eat the life with the flesh. KJV Joshua 10:28 28 And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho. KJV Joshua 10:30 30 And the Lord delivered it also, and the king thereof, into the hand of Israel; and he smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain in it; but did unto the king thereof as he did unto the king of Jericho. KJV Joshua 10:32 32 And the Lord delivered Lachish into the hand of Israel, which took it on the second day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein, according to all that he had done to Libnah. KJV Joshua 10:35 35 And they took it on that day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein he utterly destroyed that day, according to all that he had done to Lachish. KJV Joshua 10:37 37 And they took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining, according to all that he had done to Eglon; but destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein. KJV Joshua 10:39 39 And he took it, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof; and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining: as he had done to Hebron, so he did to Debir, and to the king thereof; as he had done also to Libnah, and to her king. KJV Joshua 11:11 11 And they smote all the souls that were therein with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them: there was not any left to breathe: and he burnt Hazor with fire. KJV Job 12:10 10 In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind. KJV Job 41:21 21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. KJV Proverbs 12:10 10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel. KJV Jeremiah 2:24 24 A wild ass used to the wilderness, that snuffeth up the wind at her pleasure; in her occasion who can turn her away? all they that seek her will not weary themselves; in her month they shall find her. KJV Ezekiel 47:9 9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh. KJV All of these verses are either about animals directly or INCLUDE animals with the human beings in a particular town. While it is true that God took His time with the man and created man in His image, that is NOT found in the word "soul!" That's found in Genesis 1:26-27: Genesis 1:26-27 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image (Hebrew: b-tsalmeenuw = "in-our-resemblance"), after our likeness (Hebrew: kidmuwteenuw = "like-our-shape") : and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image (Hebrew: b-tsalmow = "in-his-resemblance"), in the image of God (Hebrew: b-tselem Elohiym = in-resemblance of-God) created he him; male and female created he them. KJV Has it ever occurred to you that sometimes God uses others to help "open your eyes" to the truths in His Word?

Shalom, sister Heleadethme. Look, I know this is hard for someone who has never thought beyond what is commonly taught in our Christian churches these days, but our definitions have been "tampered with" down through the last 2000 years! "Salvation" is one such word. Christians will even use verses like Romans 10:13 in the "Romans Road of Salvation" as an aide in "witnessing" and "leading someone to Christ." As a class in a Bible college, I took "Personal Evangelism" and found it useful. I also enjoy books like Tactics: A Game Plan for Discussing Your Christian Convictions by Gregory Koukl (Zondervan, Grand Rapids, MI, 2009). But, the truth is that Romans 10:13 is often used wrongly. Here's the passage in the KJV: Romans 10:1-15 1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved (delivered; rescued). 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ (the Messiah) is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, "That the man which doeth those things shall live by them." (Leviticus 18:5) 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, "Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ [the Messiah] down from above:) 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ [the Messiah] again from the dead.)" 8 But what saith it? "The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart" (Deuteronomy 30:11-14): that is, the word of faith, which we preach (herald); 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved (delivered; rescued). 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation (deliverance; rescue). 11 For the scripture saith, "Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed (disappointed)." (Isaiah 28:16) 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For "whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Joel 2:32) 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher (a herald)? 15 And how shall they preach (herald), except they be sent? as it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!" (Isaiah 52:7) KJV Here are the passages (in the KJV) that Paul used here in his Epistle to the Romans: Leviticus 18:5 5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD. KJV Deuteronomy 30:11-14 11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. 12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. KJV Isaiah 28:16 16 Therefore thus saith the LORD God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation, a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. KJV Joel 2:21-3:2 21 Fear not, O Land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things. 22 Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength. 23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month. 24 And the (threshing) floors shall be full of wheat, and the fats (vats) shall overflow with wine and oil. 25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you. 26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed. 27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed. 28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: 29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit. 30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come. 32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered (saved; rescued): for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance (salvation; rescue), as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them (judge them) there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land. KJV Isaiah 52:7 7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation (deliverance; rescue); that saith unto Zion, "Thy God reigneth!" KJV These thoughts were NOT disjoint! That is, they were CONNECTED! Paul is NOT skipping all over the place just to use passages that SOUND like what he wants to say! He's using good passages of EXACTLY what he means to say to support his points! He's talking about the RETURN of the Lord! When Yeshua` the Messiah (Jesus the Christ) comes back and begins His reign, all this will occur! And, part of what will happen when He returns will be the RESCUE of His people, Israel, "in mount Zion and in Jerusalem!" By the way, "soul" is another one of those words which have been "tampered with." The word "soul," which today is defined as "the spiritual or immaterial part of a human being or animal, regarded as immortal," comes from the Greek word "psuchee" (spelled psi-upsilon-chi-eta and pronounced "psoo-KHAY"), which in turn was used to translate the Hebrew word "nefesh" (spelled "nun-fei-shin" and pronounced "NEH-fesh") and is the noun form of "naafash" (spelled "nun-fei-shin" as well but pronounced "naw-FAHSH"): NT:5590 psuchee (psoo-khay'); from NT:5594; breath, i.e. (by implication) spirit, abstractly or concretely (the animal sentient principle only; thus distinguished on the one hand from NT:4151, which is the rational and immortal soul; and on the other from NT:2222, which is mere vitality, even of plants: these terms thus exactly correspond respectively to the Hebrew OT:5315, OT:7307 and OT:2416): KJV - heart (+-ily), life, mind, soul, us, you. OT:5315 nefesh (neh'-fesh); from OT:5314; properly, a breathing creature, i.e. animal of (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): KJV - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, dead (-ly), desire, [dis-] contented, fish, ghost, greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortally, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thyself-), them (your)- selves, slay, soul, tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, would have it. OT:5314 naafash (naw-fash'); a primitive root; to breathe; passively, to be breathed upon, i.e. (figuratively) refreshed (as if by a current of air): KJV - (be) refresh selves (-ed). (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.) This Hebrew word, nefesh, was used to write about the creation of the Man: Genesis 2:7 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul (Hebrew: nefesh = "a breathing creature"). KJV So, when you see the word "soul" in Scripture, it's talking about a "BREATHING" person, one who has already been RESURRECTED! So, what are the "enemies of our SOULS," as you said?

Shalom, Keras. And, here we go! The problem, as I see it, is IN YOUR DEFINITIONS FOR CERTAIN WORDS! The word "salvation," for instance, is the word that means "deliverance" and "rescue." That fact that most Christians apply this to a "rescue from sin and its consequences" has altered the meaning down to the very prophecy itself! Just the same, if one properly STARTS with the prophecy, one will see that the word "salvation" was about the RESCUE of the children of Israel from their enemies, right down to the Jews themselves, for "salvation is of the Jews!" That quote doesn't mean that "salvation COMES FROM the Jews" but rather that "the JEWS are the ones to be RESCUED," according to prophecy! For instance,... Zechariah 12:1-10 1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. 2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. 3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces (literally, all that try to pick it up shall hurt themselves - herniate themselves), though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. 4 In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness. 5 And the governors of Judah (the rulers of the Jews) shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God. 6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem. 7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah (the Jews) first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah (the Jews). 8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them. 9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. KJV That's why Yeshua` told the woman from Shomrown (Samaria, the once-capital city of Northern Israel), John 4:21-26 21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. and why she answered, 25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. and He confirmed her growing suspicions: 26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he. KJV That's why she was so excited to tell her neighbors, John 4:28-30 28 The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men, 29 Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ (the Messiah)? 30 Then they went out of the city, and came unto him. KJV Later, we read, John 4:39-42 39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did. 40 So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days. 41 And many more believed because of his own word; 42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ (the Messiah), the Saviour (the Rescuer) of the world. KJV (Remember: I do NOT believe in a "rapture to Heaven"; I believe in a "rapture THROUGH THE HEAVENS, that is, THROUGH THE SKIES to Israel!") That which YOU'VE been calling "salvation" is really "God's justification" of individuals. It's not "salvation" at all!

Shalom, Keras. I've read all the above, and I really don't think we're as far apart as some might think. We just have a different viewpoint on the same prophecies. First, we both know that Gentiles (Goyim, non-Israelites) will be named "God's people." The difference here is that you believe that to be SOLELY those who are "born again," right? I believe that they are technically ADDED to "God's people." Let's explore this further: Would you say that Avraham was "born again?" If so, when? Were Gentiles (Goyim) ever added to "God's people" before the Messiah came? If so, how? See, the problem, as I see it, is that the dichotomy of "Christian/non-Christian" has some challenges prior to the first coming of the Messiah and His death and resurrection. And yet, since the time of Avraham, God has ALWAYS had "a people!" More specifically, after the Exodus, it was the children of Israel, who were LITERALLY the children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, and so on, of the one man originally named "Ya`aqov," meaning "heel-grabber," and later renamed to "Yisra'el," meaning "he is a prince of God", the grandson of Avraham. Now, if you're going to say that some of this group were "God's people" while others were not, by what means do you differentiate? And, does your method of differentiation differ from that of God Himself? Even when the children of Israel immediately following the Exodus were so bad as to make God consider killing them all and starting afresh with the children of Moses, were they not still "God's people," however disobedient they were? I'll await your responses here before going on...

Shalom, Abdicate. Well said. I also get extremely weary of ones who post on these forums simply to be argumentative. You couldn't agree with them enough to make them happy! They're just "itching for a fight." I think our political system and even our churches fall into the same category. All certain people want to do is debate; and, it doesn't matter which "side" they choose! Everything these days is for competition, and people forget about the power of cooperation! One of the best times I had in college was when we broke up in groups to form teams geared toward accomplishing some goal together. Our group was designing an automatic sprinkler system that would reduce the amount of water used and at the same time focus on where the heat source was. We each had our own roles, and we worked together to make the project work. That was SO much better than working against each other! It wasn't "one against another"; it was a team of individuals working against a common problem!

The natural man cannot comprehend it .... I would suggest that you restudy your Bible and learn to understand what it means to filled with the Lord's holy spirit Then you should seek it and begin to study your Bible .... things will begin to look much different than what you think about much I read all of your postings as well as others on this forum and I see that you have fallen for many false ideas Your theologies are built upon the teachings of men in many cases and you need to start over [John 3:1-21] Shalom, Daniel 11:36. Oh, I am already Spirit-filled, but there's a difference between Spirit-filled and "filled with the Spirit." One does NOT get "more of the Spirit"; one already HAS (present tense) ALL of the Holy Spirit - the Ruwach haQodesh - the moment one is justified by God, for "it is the Spirit that quickeneth." (John 6:63) That is, it is the Ruwach haQodesh who brings one back to life in the Resurrection; the flesh - literally, the "meat" - can't do anything to come back to life! That's what "the flesh profiteth nothing" means. Ephesians 5:6-21 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: 9 (For the fruit [the produce] of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth 10 Proving (testing; sorting out) what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret. 13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. 14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ (the Messiah) shall give thee light. 15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, 16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil. 17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. 18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit (Greek: pleerousthe en Pneumati = "be-full/sated/satiated/stuffed in [the] Spirit); 19 (1) Speaking to yourselves in (1a) psalms and (1b) hymns and (1c) spiritual songs, (2) singing and (3) making melody in your heart to the Lord; 20 (4) Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name (on the authority) of our Lord Jesus Christ; 21 (5) Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear (respect) of God. KJV Romans 8:1-11 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit (not a condition but a description). 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh (not "condemned the flesh!"): 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. KJV You said, "I see that you have fallen for many false ideas. Your theologies are built upon the teachings of men in many cases and you need to start over [John 3:1-21]." Name three! You'd be surprised how little I base ANYTHING on the "teachings of men!"

Shalom, Daniel 11:36. Oh, that sounds so "SPIRITUAL!" But, it is FALSE! First, don't take single statements that aren't even complete verses and build a whole theology upon them! Romans 7:1-25 1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. 4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without (outside) the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without (outside) the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it (the law) is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. KJV "Being in the flesh" is not the same in this passage as "being of flesh!" Notice in verse 5 that we WERE once "in the flesh!" Being of flesh is to be a body; "being IN the flesh" means to be carnally minded; that is, to be concentrating on fleshly desires and fleshly needs to the exclusion of all else! John 6:22-71 22 The day following, when the people which stood on the other side of the sea (Lake Kinneret or the "Sea of Galilee") saw that there was none other boat there, save that one whereinto his disciples were entered, and that Jesus went not with his disciples into the boat, but that his disciples were gone away alone; 23 (Howbeit there came other boats from Tiberias nigh unto the place where they did eat bread, after that the Lord had given thanks:) 24 When the people therefore saw that Jesus was not there, neither his disciples, they also took shipping, and came to Capernaum, seeking for Jesus. 25 And when they had found him on the other side of the sea, they said unto him, Rabbi, when camest thou hither? 26 Jesus answered them and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Ye seek me, not because ye saw the miracles, but because ye did eat of the loaves, and were filled. 27 Labour not for the meat (food) which perisheth, but for that meat (food) which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. 28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. 30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? 31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat. 32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. 36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. 41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. 42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven? 43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. 46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. 47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. 48 I am that bread of life. 49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. 52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me. 58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever. 59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum. 60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? 61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? 62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. 66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. 67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? 68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. 69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God. 70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? 71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve. KJV It's not the flesh that is bad; it's the SIN and its consequences of DEATH and DECAY in the flesh that is bad! The flesh, as part of the original Creation, was created "very good!" The flesh will not be eradicated by the Resurrection; it's the consequences of sin - death and decay - that will be eradicated!

Shabbat shalom, Justin Adams. I believe that the problem is that they are trying to see things from God's point of view. HOWEVER, never mind the fact that they are NOT GOD! Yes! God knows who will come to Him for His justification, but WE don't! And, He's not TELLING US! Therefore, it is ILLOGICAL for us to assume that we are sent to share the Gospel with "only those who will accept Christ!" How could we possibly know who will and who won't? Therefore, from our perspective, all we can hope to do is share the truth with EVERYONE and let the chips fall where they may! See, from our perspective, everyone has the same chance! That's the "free will." When I was a kid, it was explained to me this way: "Salvation" is like walking through a doorway. Above the doorway on the way through, it says, "Whosoever will may come." After going through the doorway, looking back over the door, one will read "Chosen before the foundation of the world." BOTH are true! My dad, an Independent Baptist preacher, claimed to be a "THREE-point Calvinist"; that is, he believed in the total depravity of mankind, the unconditional election of God, and the Preservation (Perseverence) of the Saints, but not in the other two. Total Depravity of Mankind - Mankind IS "sinful and desperately wicked" Unconditional Election - There's nothing in a person by which God chooses him or her Limited Atonement - Yeshua` the Messiah did NOT just die for those who would be justified Irresistible Grace - God does NOT force Himself on those who will be justified Preservation of the Saints - GOD preserves those who are His own; He doesn't lose one

Shabbat shalom, Abdicate. Yes, somehow "Christians," who are generally non-Israelites ("Gentiles" or "Goyim"), seem to think that THEY have the exclusive on being "God's people." They unwittingly or unconsciously have an ANIMOSITY toward the Israeliym! This is VERY peculiar to me, after they are told over and over again NOT to feel that way to the Jews or any Israeliym!