ted Posted August 5, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 276 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 7,474 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1966 Share Posted August 5, 2007 the extremists when he becomes president, why is he constantly opposing Bush now? Well I would assume that he means the terrorists that actually targeted us on 9/11. For example, if Obama were president in 1941, when Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor, Obama would have asked congress to declare war against the Empire of Japan. However, if Bush were president in 1941, when Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor, Bush would have asked congress to declare war against Japan, then mid way through that war, he would have asked congress to declare war against Thailand, and sent the bulk of our forces there. I think he'd do just what FDR did, and go after Nazi Germany as well, for the same reasons FDR did: They posed a threat to the world that, if left unchecked, would have grown beyond our means of containment. t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestkc Posted August 5, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,015 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2007 the extremists when he becomes president, why is he constantly opposing Bush now? Well I would assume that he means the terrorists that actually targeted us on 9/11. For example, if Obama were president in 1941, when Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor, Obama would have asked congress to declare war against the Empire of Japan. However, if Bush were president in 1941, when Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor, Bush would have asked congress to declare war against Japan, then mid way through that war, he would have asked congress to declare war against Thailand, and sent the bulk of our forces there. I think he'd do just what FDR did, and go after Nazi Germany as well, for the same reasons FDR did: They posed a threat to the world that, if left unchecked, would have grown beyond our means of containment. t. Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor, in response, we declared war against the Empire of Japan. In response, Japans allies, Germany and Italy, declared war against the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giaour Posted August 5, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 179 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,941 Content Per Day: 0.55 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/28/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/08/1964 Share Posted August 5, 2007 Actually, no... he would have done what was done. He would have asked to go to war against Japan and her allies -- which is exactly what we did. And, it's what we did here. More and more evidence is coming out of Al Queda's links with Iraq, and only those in severe denial are still pretending that's not the case. Oh really? 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing Ten days after the September 11, 2001 attacks, President Bush receives a classified Presidential Daily Briefing (that had been prepared at his request) indicating that the U.S. intelligence community had no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the September 11th attacks and that there was "scant credible evidence that Iraq had any significant collaborative ties with Al Qaeda." 2002 DIA reports The DIA report also cast significant doubt on the possibility of a Saddam Hussein-al-Qaeda conspiracy: "Saddam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgesbluegirl Posted August 5, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,234 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/17/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1987 Share Posted August 5, 2007 ...I think he did. Isn't a lot of this simply public record? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestkc Posted August 5, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,015 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2007 ...I think he did. Isn't a lot of this simply public record? Yes it is. The Sources would be: 2004 9/11 Commission Report 2004 Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq 2006 Senate Report of Pre-War Intelligence 2007 Pentagon Inspector General Report Among other Government Reports, all listed in the Original Post. Given the shear number of Intelligence Reports released since the war that found no operational relationship between Iraq under Saddam and Al Qaeda, you would think no one would still be under the misconception that such a relationship ever existed, but evidently some still are under that misconception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgesbluegirl Posted August 5, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,234 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/17/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/10/1987 Share Posted August 5, 2007 ...I think he did. Isn't a lot of this simply public record? Yes it is. The Sources would be: 2004 9/11 Commission Report 2004 Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq 2006 Senate Report of Pre-War Intelligence 2007 Pentagon Inspector General Report Among other Government Reports, all listed in the Original Post. Given the shear number of Intelligence Reports released since the war that found no operational relationship between Iraq under Saddam and Al Qaeda, you would think no one would still be under the misconception that such a relationship ever existed, but evidently some still are under that misconception. I've quoted him before and I'll do it again: as Robert Kennedy, Jr. says, "We are the best entertained and the worst informed people on the planet." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestkc Posted August 5, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,015 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted August 5, 2007 I've quoted him before and I'll do it again: as Robert Kennedy, Jr. says, "We are the best entertained and the worst informed people on the planet." Very true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted August 6, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 276 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 7,474 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1966 Share Posted August 6, 2007 the extremists when he becomes president, why is he constantly opposing Bush now? Well I would assume that he means the terrorists that actually targeted us on 9/11. For example, if Obama were president in 1941, when Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor, Obama would have asked congress to declare war against the Empire of Japan. However, if Bush were president in 1941, when Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor, Bush would have asked congress to declare war against Japan, then mid way through that war, he would have asked congress to declare war against Thailand, and sent the bulk of our forces there. I think he'd do just what FDR did, and go after Nazi Germany as well, for the same reasons FDR did: They posed a threat to the world that, if left unchecked, would have grown beyond our means of containment. t. Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor, in response, we declared war against the Empire of Japan. In response, Japans allies, Germany and Italy, declared war against the United States. Yes, I know that. It didn't matter if Nazi Germany declared war on us or not- we were still going to join the fight in Europe either way. t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forrestkc Posted August 6, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 114 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,015 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 8 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/15/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted August 6, 2007 Yes, I know that. It didn't matter if Nazi Germany declared war on us or not- we were still going to join the fight in Europe either way. t. Yeah, but just for the technicality of it, we were going to give them a reason to declare war on us first one way or the other. Back then we had this notion as a nation that war was an absolute last resort, never fought preemptively, and that we did not start wars, we finished them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisb Posted August 6, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 130 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/18/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/25/1976 Share Posted August 6, 2007 Yes, I know that. It didn't matter if Nazi Germany declared war on us or not- we were still going to join the fight in Europe either way. t. Yeah, but just for the technicality of it, we were going to give them a reason to declare war on us first one way or the other. Back then we had this notion as a nation that war was an absolute last resort, never fought preemptively, and that we did not start wars, we finished them. Wow. Maybe you need to look back at our history again. I found Obama's remarks to be completely stupid. Unless you assume that he is willing to take on the job of pacifying Pakistan by force once he attacks them without permission, his remarks were without merit. His admittance that he would never use nukes under any circumstance eliminates him as CIC material anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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