EricH Posted August 11, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 366 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 10,933 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 212 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/21/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted August 11, 2007 Here is another church and the story of their conclusions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarletprayers Posted August 11, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 135 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,537 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 157 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/29/1956 Share Posted August 11, 2007 Here is another church and the story of their conclusions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted August 11, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted August 11, 2007 But I would clarify the idea that he sees no difference in gender. While I believe I understand you to be meaning within the realms of ministry, that statement is often taken erroneously to mean that someone confuses the sexes. And it is quite obvious that that church did not do that but acknowledged women as women, different but equal in value, equally able to be used in ministry by the Holy Spirit. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted August 11, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted August 11, 2007 I agree that all lies will be made known, however, we will all see then which was the lie, and which was not. FA we've always known we've disagreed on this one, but still know that we love and respect each other, and on many things we are in full agreement. Yep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OopsMartin Posted August 11, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 829 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/26/1943 Share Posted August 11, 2007 So questions for you..... do you believe that women will be subordinate to men in heaven. If so on what Scriptural basis. Also, what do you make of the no giving or taking in marriage in heaven. You have asked 2 separate questions. The subordination described in the NT relates to the church and its functioning here on earth. Whether or not there will be a cintinuation of this in heaven is really up to conjecture since it is not in any place directly addressed. SO I would say I can't know definitively The passage regarding marriage in Matthew was Jesus' response to a scribe regarding the practive of Leverite Marriage in heaven. We are told that the intitution of marriage will not exist there. That is as far as I would want to take that. Since subordination is not caused by marriage, the fact that marriage will not exist in heaven does not mean that there will not be any subordination in heaven Even if we were to agree that no subordination will exist in heaven, it would not be automatic to read that onto us now. We might be guilty of having an "over-realized eschatology". There are many realities that will exist in heaven, that do not exist now. I fully agree with your last sentence. So, just for clarity, do you believe that 1 Cor. 14:34-35 and 1 tim. 2:11-12 are Paul stating that women are subordinate to men in general, or only Christian women to Christian men, or only inside a church meeting, or only in certain types of church meetings? And how do you see that stated or implied in those Scriptures? Do you think there are no ramifications of Christs statement that there is no giving or taking of marriage in heaven. I would think that at least it would effect the Mormon view of men having their own worlds which their wives are to be the um eternal wombs for. On what grounds do you think that it is possible that women will be eternally subordinate to men..... I.E. in heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarletprayers Posted August 11, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 135 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,537 Content Per Day: 1.08 Reputation: 157 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/06/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/29/1956 Share Posted August 11, 2007 I agree that all lies will be made known, however, we will all see then which was the lie, and which was not. FA we've always known we've disagreed on this one, but still know that we love and respect each other, and on many things we are in full agreement. Yep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firehill Posted August 11, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,980 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/17/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted August 11, 2007 Here is another church and the story of their conclusions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickilynn Posted August 11, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 138 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/13/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted August 11, 2007 Or how sad when women of God find out that they refused to submit to their God given role and stand in condemnation for it. Shalom SP, Amen and amen. This is the heart of Titus 2: 3-5. And that the Word of G-d may not be blasphemed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickilynn Posted August 11, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 138 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 0.63 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/13/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted August 11, 2007 Ofcourse the lie of woman being a subordinate began in Eden when God said that he himself would put enemity between the serpent and the woman and his seed and hers. Well that's only a part of it. Shalom Firehill, sub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OopsMartin Posted August 11, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 829 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/26/1943 Share Posted August 11, 2007 I guess I am seeing the facts differently than you. We will all have things to confess when we stand before God. That is why I think we should approach the text and each other with humility Well said. Humility does not come easy to humanity. Never has! But we all must make every effort to find enough humility to respect our brethren, as well as have compassion on the world at large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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