The Lorax Posted October 30, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 183 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,892 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/07/1985 Share Posted October 30, 2007 Mukasey won Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted October 30, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted October 30, 2007 And so it is, IF--AND THIS IS A REALLY BIG "IF"--if you have captured an honorable soldier in his required uniform, fighting under his standard, AS PER THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS. These filthy terrorist vermin who hide among, and thereby endanger innocent civilians, do NOT HAVE, and DO NOT DESERVE the protections afforded to honorable soldiers! These are the lowest, dirtiest, most malevolent pieces of human scum we have ever had to fight! Even the NAZI 'wolf-packs' after WWII usually operated in their uniforms and in such ways as to attempt to minimize innocent civilian casualties. (edited by moderator) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted October 30, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 276 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 7,474 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 51 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/25/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/31/1966 Share Posted October 30, 2007 [in] 1947, the United States charged a Japanese officer, Yukio Asano, with war crimes for carrying out another form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian. The subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheoMike Posted October 31, 2007 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 499 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/27/1964 Share Posted October 31, 2007 This phrase is what seals it for me: until he agreed to talk. You know, if it works on a terrorist and saves lives, I could care less if it's torture or not. To me, there is not a choice between the comfort of a terrorist or the life of a potential innocent victim of his actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Hamburgers! Posted October 31, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,144 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 163 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1985 Share Posted October 31, 2007 This phrase is what seals it for me: until he agreed to talk. You know, if it works on a terrorist and saves lives, I could care less if it's torture or not. To me, there is not a choice between the comfort of a terrorist or the life of a potential innocent victim of his actions. Read: The ends justify the means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Hamburgers! Posted October 31, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,144 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 163 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1985 Share Posted October 31, 2007 And so it is, IF--AND THIS IS A REALLY BIG "IF"--if you have captured an honorable soldier in his required uniform, fighting under his standard, AS PER THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS. These filthy terrorist vermin who hide among, and thereby endanger innocent civilians, do NOT HAVE, and DO NOT DESERVE the protections afforded to honorable soldiers! These are the lowest, dirtiest, most malevolent pieces of human scum we have ever had to fight! Even the NAZI 'wolf-packs' after WWII usually operated in their uniforms and in such ways as to attempt to minimize innocent civilian casualties. (edited by moderator) Cause terrorists don't deserve basic human rights, right Leonard? Fun fact: During the revolutionary war, the rebels (us) didn't have a uniform. In fact, we fought Britain by hit and run tactics in the woods. Fortunatly for us, that made us patriots, not terrorists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat8585 Posted October 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,360 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 7,866 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1946 Share Posted October 31, 2007 This phrase is what seals it for me: until he agreed to talk. You know, if it works on a terrorist and saves lives, I could care less if it's torture or not. To me, there is not a choice between the comfort of a terrorist or the life of a potential innocent victim of his actions. Read: The ends justify the means? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Hamburgers! Posted October 31, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,144 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 163 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1985 Share Posted October 31, 2007 This phrase is what seals it for me: until he agreed to talk. You know, if it works on a terrorist and saves lives, I could care less if it's torture or not. To me, there is not a choice between the comfort of a terrorist or the life of a potential innocent victim of his actions. Read: The ends justify the means? Yes. Yes according to man's law, or according to God's law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kat8585 Posted October 31, 2007 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,360 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 7,866 Content Per Day: 1.23 Reputation: 26 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/22/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/18/1946 Share Posted October 31, 2007 This phrase is what seals it for me: until he agreed to talk. You know, if it works on a terrorist and saves lives, I could care less if it's torture or not. To me, there is not a choice between the comfort of a terrorist or the life of a potential innocent victim of his actions. Read: The ends justify the means? Yes. Yes according to man's law, or according to God's law? How many lives do you want to save? I think God would approve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Hamburgers! Posted October 31, 2007 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,144 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 163 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/02/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1985 Share Posted October 31, 2007 This phrase is what seals it for me: until he agreed to talk. You know, if it works on a terrorist and saves lives, I could care less if it's torture or not. To me, there is not a choice between the comfort of a terrorist or the life of a potential innocent victim of his actions. Read: The ends justify the means? Yes. Yes according to man's law, or according to God's law? How many lives do you want to save? I think God would approve. That brings us to an interesting predicament. Does God justify sin in order to prevent more sin? It reminds me of the "Subjective Morals" thread brought up earlier in the month. At what point is it no longer sinful to save the lives of others? Is it ok to torture someone in order to save 10 people? How about 100? How about 1000? Or does the life of just one person being saved justify the torture of a terrorist? Where do you draw the line, and is your line an absolute, solid line? What if instead of torturing terrorists, we were to kill them instead. Would that change your view of it, or would it just alter your view of it? Would there still be a "point" in your mind where you could justify killing to save others? What point would that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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