traveller Posted April 13, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 827 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 12,101 Content Per Day: 1.50 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 04/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted April 13, 2004 Jason, ok - I've wondered about something. First, why are there two places where God renamed Jacob Israel? Gen 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Gen 35:10 And God said unto him, Thy name [is] Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel. AND, in the above verse God says that he shall be called Jacob no more, yet Gen 46:2 And God spake unto Israel in the visions of the night, and said, Jacob, Jacob. And he said, Here [am] I. :t2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Gastrich Posted April 13, 2004 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 32 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/13/1974 Author Share Posted April 13, 2004 Hi traveller, Thanks for your message. Jason, ok - I've wondered about something. First, why are there two places where God renamed Jacob Israel? Gen 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Gen 35:10 And God said unto him, Thy name [is] Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel. AND, in the above verse God says that he shall be called Jacob no more, yet Gen 46:2 And God spake unto Israel in the visions of the night, and said, Jacob, Jacob. And he said, Here [am] I. God changes Jacob's name to Israel. However, he was still called Jacob, sometimes. This is common among places and people that have changed their names. We have a stadium in San Diego called Qualcom Stadium. For many years, it was called Jack Murphy Stadium, but it was renamed Qualcom Stadium. Sometimes, we still call it Jack Murphy. Repetition is used for emphasis. God renamed him twice to emphasize the importance of his new name and how it would be passed along to his generations. God bless, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Gastrich Posted April 13, 2004 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 32 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/13/1974 Author Share Posted April 13, 2004 Hey Steve, Nice to meet you and God bless. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneB Posted April 13, 2004 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 4 Topic Count: 232 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 7,261 Content Per Day: 0.96 Reputation: 79 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/19/1959 Share Posted April 13, 2004 Brethren, It is unfortunate in my opinion, when a brother in the Lord starts a thread in an attempt to discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Gastrich Posted April 13, 2004 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 32 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/13/1974 Author Share Posted April 13, 2004 Hi Wayne, God bless you and thanks. I look forward to more fruitful discussions. Serving Him, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traveller Posted April 13, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 827 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 12,101 Content Per Day: 1.50 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 04/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted April 13, 2004 Ok Jason, then let's get started shall we? There were fourteen generations from Abraham to David [Matt 1:17] There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David [Matt 1:2-6] There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity to Christ [Matt 1:17] There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian captivity to Christ [Matt 1:12-16] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Gastrich Posted April 13, 2004 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 32 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/13/1974 Author Share Posted April 13, 2004 Ok Jason, then let's get started shall we? Hi traveller, Ok. Let's go. There were fourteen generations from Abraham to David [Matt 1:17] There were but thirteen generations from Abraham to David [Matt 1:2-6] In the list of generations in Matthew 1:2-6, there is an omission. This is allowable because the Greek word "genao" that has been translated into "begot" doesn't have to indicate father/son relationships. It can indicate lineages and skip generations. There were fourteen generations from the Babylonian captivity to Christ [Matt 1:17] There were but thirteen generations from the Babylonian captivity to Christ [Matt 1:12-16] The same answer is true here. God bless, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traveller Posted April 13, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 827 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 12,101 Content Per Day: 1.50 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 04/01/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted April 13, 2004 Wow Jason! You're fast! Ok, how about the crucifixion - was Christ crucified the third hour or the sixth? Mark 15:25 It was the third hour when they crucified him John 19:14,15 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! 15 But they cried out, Away with [him], away with [him], crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Gastrich Posted April 13, 2004 Group: Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 32 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/13/1974 Author Share Posted April 13, 2004 Wow Jason! You're fast!   Ok, how about the crucifixion - was Christ crucified the third hour or the sixth? Mark 15:25 It was the third hour when they crucified him John 19:14,15 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! 15 But they cried out, Away with [him], away with [him], crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. I'll quote my book, The Skeptic's Annotated Bible: Corrected and Explained on this one. John 19:14 clearly says it was "about the sixth hour." In this verse, there are even distinct Greek words used for "about," "sixth," and "hour." John forgot his watch, so he had to guess. This is why he was approximately 2-3 hours off. God bless, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refugepsa91 Posted April 14, 2004 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 331 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 5,961 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 61 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/25/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted April 14, 2004 WOW...WOW...what a great thread to start Jason I don't have any questions yet...but I will definately keep up on this thread :il: Love and Blessings, Angel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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