caught on tape: More deputies brutally beating inmate

[Rick-Parker]

LOL...most of you guys wouldn't trust this newspaper to tell you the weather tomorrow, but throw in a chance to bash on some law enforcement and its a sold out show.

PATHETIC!

Where is this video??? And please...you know how many people fake heart attacks, strokes, seizures, fainting, diabetes, etc in order to go to the hospital? That almost never works. You wanna go to the hospital after you've commited a criminal act? Toss a bag of cocaine down your throat and hope you don't die before they transport you...thats how a 'real' criminal would do it!

I have an attorney friend who helped found "JAIL FOR JUDGES" and has had the experience several times of being beaten after an arrest for some petty offence. This is EXACTLY the course he took the last two times he was arrested, and each time he ended up settling the civil rights lawsuit out of court for $250,000! He also got four sadists thrown in prison.

Why is a lawyer doing to get busted for anything, let alone "some petty offense?"

[Axxman]

Sounds like a threat! "If you don't toe the line we will treat you like dirt, because we can, and we can get away with it, we always do!"

I was always under the impression that someone was sent to jail as a punishment, the jail IS the punishment. Not to be tortured in prison, that is a whole different thing.

Again, you show your misunderstanding of the system in general. Jail and prison are vastly different...as are the responsibilities of the people that work in them. In a jail, people have NOT been convicted of any crime, they are for all intents and purposes, innocent. The Officers who work in jails generally respect that and treat people accordingly. The vast majority of people (like Paul King) only spend a few hours in jail before being released...and if they are cooperative...its a fairly boring and uneventful experience. If you do not cooperate then you make things alot more difficult and the environment becomes unsafe, not only for officers, but also for the other inmates that are not causing problems. you keep focusing on the one uncooperative inmate...but you refuse to acknowledge the fact that the vast majority of other inmates sat around watching TV, eating sandwhiches, and socializing until they were released...somehow managing to avoid the wrath and psychotic nature of the officers just dying to beat somebody down.

Also, prison is for punishment...jail is very rarely for punishment. Jails operate under the governments judicial system and their primary objective is to make sure inmates go to court. There are instances in which a person can be sentenced to jail...but more often than not that only happens because the sentence is short and prisons are over-crowded. Only the dumbest criminals (like Paul King) would turn a few hours in jail into a situation where he thought he could resist officers.

The threat...You can call it a threat. Do as your told, or else. Thats what the law is. Drive the speed limit...or else. Don't drink and drive...or else. Don't pull away from an officer...or else. You refuse to accept the fact that Paul King was the author of his own demise when he refused to obey the legal orders of an officer. When inmates refuse to obey those orders officers are FULLY justified in doing what they must to maintain control, up to and including deadly force.

[Axxman]

I have an attorney friend who helped found "JAIL FOR JUDGES" and has had the experience several times of being beaten after an arrest for some petty offence. This is EXACTLY the course he took the last two times he was arrested, and each time he ended up settling the civil rights lawsuit out of court for $250,000! He also got four sadists thrown in prison.

LOL...we've discussed this group before. You guys wanna know why your local taxes are so high? Blame groups like this one who file frivolous lawsuits that are easily settled out of court. C'Mon Leonard...of course they are settled out of court, they always are. Its easier to pay off some two-bit con artist. If there is one thing that criminals learned long ago...its that lawsuits are the biggest winner.

I am currently being sued by two different people. One for $1.2 million...one for $16 million. Neither of these people have a snowballs chance of winning their case, and they know it. So why are they pursuing it??? Because they are hoping that it will be settled out of court for a percentage. I've already been investigated and cleared, of course, so my financial liability is zilch! Thats all your friend did. Your friend played the system and ALL of society paid for your friends "petty" crimes.

Your friend goes to jail and causes trouble so he CAN get beaten...then he files his stupid frivolous lawsuits that cost the taxpayers. Its a good thing your friend isn't a law-abiding citizen, he'd be poor...and you wouldn't have these ridiculous stories about "cops gone wild."

I know, I know...your friend told you he was just sitting there eating a sandwich, watching Cops on tv...when cops just decided to jump him. He was completely innocent.

[healingoil]

OK Healingoil I'll level with you, I'm a little bit biased when it comes to policemen. I wouldn't go as far as to say that I agree with Axxman when he says "You (and many others here) just hate law enforcement." I wouldn't use the word "hate" ("hate" is a very specific word, I wouldn't say that I "hate" anything or anybody). Maybe "contempt" is a better word. 20 years ago I had a very, very different view, I had like and respect for most policemen - but then in those days they deserved my admiration and most other peoples' too. Something changed drastically in policing, and now I realise that they, sadly like many other organisations, owe their number one loyalty to the exclusion of all others, to the government of the day. Policemen exist today to carry out the political agenda of what ever government is in power. It is the same in every country, city and town.

What makes it worse in my book is that policemen "bite the hand that feeds them". Like politicians they don't seem to realise that without the peoples' taxes paying their salaries they wouldn't be policemen. Your idea of policemen as "authorities" would have been thought to be very strange some time ago, but now it seems to have been drummed into policemen that they are better than everyone else and have "authority" over people. I still find that idea kind of weird. I've said it before and I'll say it again: God is the only true authority!!!!!!

I appreciate where you seem to be honestly coming from, bts. That being said, are you aware of Romans 13: 1-7?

Yes, God is the only authority, but, he still believed in establishing a government. The people of Rome were subject to the governing authorities and the Roman soldiers were on the front lines helping to maintain that just as there are police officers doing the same today. He explained back then that there would be consequences if citizens resisted the authorities and that in order to protect those who were good, the authorities would have to defeat those who did evil by whatever means necessary - ("bear the sword").

So you see? It is no different today. Police Officers answer to their government and that countries government answers to God, but it is a Biblical call on all fronts and God recognizes them as people who carry out his authority as people of authority.

To top it off, you have complaints about our system now? Just think how corrupt the Roman Government was at the time when all of this was written! This was the same government that crucified Christ, for pete's sake!

When I was a child our next door neighbour was a policeman, and they were friendly and part of the community. But recently I have found that they tend to live in their own community groups and socialise only amongsst their own kind.

You know how Paul in the Bible describes his early career as a tax collector and how they were despised and ostracised by the rest of the community? Well this is the way that a lot of us have come to think of policemen. It is sad, but I don't think things will ever go back to the way they were.

In their defense, there are many different reasons why people change social patterns in life. That being said, have you ever considered the scrutiny police officers are dealing with today? In most respects, they simply can't win.

In times of trouble where people need their help they are always there to do just that, sometimes at the risk of their own lives. On the other hand, because they are in a position of such authority, unless you are truly the victim they rarely get any respect.

And so you have to wonder why they stick together now more than ever?

And as for your "rebellious teenager" scenario. If you really believe this you have a pretty strange and twisted view of the community.

I really believe it.

[buckthesystem]

Yes, God is the only authority, but, he still believed in establishing a government. The people of Rome were subject to the governing authorities and the Roman soldiers were on the front lines helping to maintain that just as there are police officers doing the same today. He explained back then that there would be consequences if citizens resisted the authorities and that in order to protect those who were good, the authorities would have to defeat those who did evil by whatever means necessary - ("bear the sword").

So you see? It is no different today. Police Officers answer to their government and that countries government answers to God, but it is a Biblical call on all fronts and God recognizes them as people who carry out his authority as people of authority.

Firstly I can never get used to this really odd new way of looking at Romans 13 1-7. These scriptures seem to have been hi-jacked by "those with an agenda" but I think you'll find that a lot of us just don't buy into that garbage.

However I must comment on one point: Are you saying then that Paul King "did evil, and needed to be beaten and humiliated in order to protect those who are good"? I don't really have that much faith in the average policeman being able to discern good from evil, so if - as you say - you believe that they are to do this on God's behalf, what do you believe gives policemen this amazing power of discernment?To top it off, you have complaints about our system now? Just think how corrupt the Roman Government was at the time when all of this was written! This was the same government that crucified Christ, for pete's sake!

When I was a child our next door neighbour was a policeman, and they were friendly and part of the community. But recently I have found that they tend to live in their own community groups and socialise only amongsst their own kind.

You know how Paul in the Bible describes his early career as a tax collector and how they were despised and ostracised by the rest of the community? Well this is the way that a lot of us have come to think of policemen. It is sad, but I don't think things will ever go back to the way they were.

In their defense, there are many different reasons why people change social patterns in life. That being said, have you ever considered the scrutiny police officers are dealing with today? In most respects, they simply can't win.

What do you believe has changed so drastically for policemen over the last 20 years or so?

In times of trouble where people need their help they are always there to do just that, sometimes at the risk of their own lives. On the other hand, because they are in a position of such authority, unless you are truly the victim they rarely get any respect.

And so you have to wonder why they stick together now more than ever?

I will admit to being really cynical, but I'm thinking right now of a case that those words bring to my mind: About four years ago the people quite a few miles north of here had some severe flooding. It was partricularly bad for farmers and market gardeners. At the time I went north to help a friend who is married to a farmer cope with her problems that the flooding caused. There is a public road running through my friends' farm and to get the animals to higher ground it was necessary to move them across the road to where the hill goes up to another part of the farm. My friend's husband was picking up as many animals as he could, loading them onto a trailer and trying to transport them as quickly as possible to the other side of the farm. It was a matter of life or death for the animals.

My friend and I were in a four wheel drive vehicle picking up dead stock and trying to clear away any hazzards. We followed my friend's husband to the road where policemen had set up a road block, not to help anyone, but to fine them for various "offences". They fined my friend's husband for "overloading a trailer", and they also fined the driver of a car and trailer behind him - who turned out to be a family man whose house was in danger of flooding out and he was taking his family and any possessions that could be saved to "a place of safety" - for "overloading a trailer" as well.

You'd think under these circumstances they'd be a little understanding. But oh no! Being good servants of the government (and definitely not God) they saw this as an opportunity to make peoples' lives a little bit more miserable and fleece them of some money in the process.

This is just one of the many reasons why I have a cynical attitude towards police. OK, so you could say something like "well they are not like that over here", but corresponding with people tells me that this is a worldwide trend.

And as for your "rebellious teenager" scenario. If you really believe this you have a pretty strange and twisted view of the community.

I really believe it.

[Scarletprayers]

Yeah, those big, bad policemen and security guards whose job requires them to risk their lives to serve and protect the rest of you...

If you are going to claim it "happens all the time" then please provide some back-up proving your statement.

Healingoil why don't you get arrested for public drunkeness? Then you might find out!

It doesn't matter if you get arrested for picking your nose...or murder. If you obey the rules and do what you are told then you won't have any problems. However, if you come in arrogant, rude and trying to pull away from officers...things won't go quite as smoothly.

Sounds like a threat! "If you don't toe the line we will treat you like dirt, because we can, and we can get away with it, we always do!"

I was always under the impression that someone was sent to jail as a punishment, the jail IS the punishment. Not to be tortured in prison, that is a whole different thing.

Who's being tortured? She was wrong to dump him out of the chair and is dealing with the consequences and rightly so, but, like with any job there are always going to be a few bad apples.

Like Axxman simply stated, if you follow the authorities orders everything will go smoothly.

It's just like an immature, rebellious teen dealing with its parents when people act the way you are towards the police as a whole, buckthesystem.

My husband is a police officer so I hear plenty of stories and you wouldn't believe some of the things He's had to put up with.

People resisting arrest to the point where he has had to chase them down majorly scraping up his legs because of rose bushes, stitches in his arm, having to hog tie an out of control drunk because he wouldn't get in the car and he had crapped his pants on top of it (not my husband), people puking in his cruiser - he once had a drunk who had just had colon surgery and was wearing a catheter but didn't bother to tell my husband so when he had to pat him down, my husband ended up getting the mans crap all over his hands and uniform, etc., and I haven't even mentioned the more seriously dangerous aspects of the job...

OK Healingoil I'll level with you, I'm a little bit biased when it comes to policemen. I wouldn't go as far as to say that I agree with Axxman when he says "You (and many others here) just hate law enforcement." I wouldn't use the word "hate" ("hate" is a very specific word, I wouldn't say that I "hate" anything or anybody). Maybe "contempt" is a better word. 20 years ago I had a very, very different view, I had like and respect for most policemen - but then in those days they deserved my admiration and most other peoples' too. Something changed drastically in policing, and now I realise that they, sadly like many other organisations, owe their number one loyalty to the exclusion of all others, to the government of the day. Policemen exist today to carry out the political agenda of what ever government is in power. It is the same in every country, city and town.

What makes it worse in my book is that policemen "bite the hand that feeds them". Like politicians they don't seem to realise that without the peoples' taxes paying their salaries they wouldn't be policemen. Your idea of policemen as "authorities" would have been thought to be very strange some time ago, but now it seems to have been drummed into policemen that they are better than everyone else and have "authority" over people. I still find that idea kind of weird. I've said it before and I'll say it again: God is the only true authority!!!!!!

When I was a child our next door neighbour was a policeman, and they were friendly and part of the community. But recently I have found that they tend to live in their own community groups and socialise only amongsst their own kind.

You know how Paul in the Bible describes his early career as a tax collector and how they were despised and ostracised by the rest of the community? Well this is the way that a lot of us have come to think of policemen. It is sad, but I don't think things will ever go back to the way they were.

And as for your "rebellious teenager" scenario. If you really believe this you have a pretty strange and twisted view of the community.

Paul was never a tax collector, that was Matthew. And you and I have had this go around before about authority bucks, so I'm not going there again, your wrong, I love ya, but your wrong.

[buckthesystem]

[The "hood"...its called a spit hood. When inmates start spitting it becomes a VERY dangerous and serious situation. If an inmate even threatens to spit (without actually doing it) he's gonna get a spit hood.

I didn't see anywhere in the video or read in the article where Paul King "started spitting" or even "threatened to spit". Have you read something more about this case? Or are you just "clutching at straws"?

[buckthesystem]

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Paul was never a tax collector, that was Matthew. And you and I have had this go around before about authority bucks, so I'm not going there again, your wrong, I love ya, but your wrong.

I'm so sorry Scarlet, you are right of course, it was Matthew. It was a case of "fingers going faster than what brain can be connected with them". In other words I just didn't think, and I'm really embarrassed.

But don't worry about the "not agreeing with me over the authority thing", none of us is perfect and I forgive you for that and acknowledge that you are entitled to your own views (even if they are wrong )

However, another thing: Why did you take me off your prayer list (Scarlet doesn't like me any more, I'm going down the garden path to eat worms

[Scarletprayers]

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Paul was never a tax collector, that was Matthew. And you and I have had this go around before about authority bucks, so I'm not going there again, your wrong, I love ya, but your wrong.

I'm so sorry Scarlet, you are right of course, it was Matthew. It was a case of "fingers going faster than what brain can be connected with them". In other words I just didn't think, and I'm really embarrassed.

But don't worry about the "not agreeing with me over the authority thing", none of us is perfect and I forgive you for that and acknowledge that you are entitled to your own views (even if they are wrong )

However, another thing: Why did you take me off your prayer list (Scarlet doesn't like me any more, I'm going down the garden path to eat worms

no your wrong! But, thats besides the point! I knew you'd just got fumble fingers, I just couldn't resist! Do you need me to add you back to my prayer list????? I certainly will if you do? Thats a new one and I couldn't remember everybody! It was NOT intentional I assure you!

[Axxman]

[The "hood"...its called a spit hood. When inmates start spitting it becomes a VERY dangerous and serious situation. If an inmate even threatens to spit (without actually doing it) he's gonna get a spit hood.

I didn't see anywhere in the video or read in the article where Paul King "started spitting" or even "threatened to spit". Have you read something more about this case? Or are you just "clutching at straws"?

I was merely explaining why a spit hood is used. Is it on the video? Nope! BUT.....half of the stuff that Paul King says happened isn't on video either and yet you easily except the criminals word for it. What you can't get around in this case is the FACT that Paul King clearly pulls his arm away from officer control and refuses to hold still for the search process. After that...he's done, and if an officer even thinks he's going to spit, a spit hood is going to be applied.

I just think its funny...you'll take the word (and reputation) of a guy who was jailed 5 times in two months, over the word of an officer.