heresyhunter Posted March 18, 2008 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 170 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2008 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 The problem with using Paul to say that is that Paul himself saw the risen Christ. Jessus appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus so Paul would have known that Jesus was in fact raised as a body. Wait, are you saying that Paul saw Jesus in physical form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heresyhunter Posted March 18, 2008 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 170 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2008 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 I am very naive when it comes to motives, trusting far beyond what more astute minds will do and think, but the answer to your question is so obvious to anybody who claims to be a brother in the faith that it seems possible it is asked and detailed in full more as propaganda for disbelief than encouragement for those who do believe. There is nothing expedient about spreading obvious and easily disproved falsehoods about the resurrection of Jesus Christ, declared to be the Son of God by his resurrection in the flesh. Nor does it fool those who are in Christ when others attempt to spread anti-Christ propaganda under the pretext that to know the answer will be useful when having to disprove alternatives. There is only one resurrection from the dead in the physical body, and that is made blindingly clear in the witness of those who were there at the time when it happened to Jesus Christ. And any genuine Christian knows the answers and the proofs of the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ without needing to ask. Wait, are you making these remarks about me or about the author of the argument I quoted in the OP?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Posted March 18, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 115 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 8,281 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 249 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/30/1955 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Lk. 24:36 & ff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted March 18, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.44 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted March 18, 2008 The problem with using Paul to say that is that Paul himself saw the risen Christ. Jessus appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus so Paul would have known that Jesus was in fact raised as a body. Wait, are you saying that Paul saw Jesus in physical form? Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heresyhunter Posted March 18, 2008 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 170 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/24/2008 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 18, 2008 The problem with using Paul to say that is that Paul himself saw the risen Christ. Jessus appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus so Paul would have known that Jesus was in fact raised as a body. Wait, are you saying that Paul saw Jesus in physical form? Absolutely. You have my attention! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lekcit Posted March 18, 2008 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 94 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/23/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/18/1976 Share Posted March 18, 2008 Thomas even put his hand in the wound in his side and touched his nail pierced hands. The implication in Holy Scripture is that when faced with the opportunity Thomas had no need to do so. You are going to have to clarify this for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lekcit Posted March 18, 2008 Group: Junior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 94 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/23/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/18/1976 Share Posted March 18, 2008 The problem with using Paul to say that is that Paul himself saw the risen Christ. Jessus appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus so Paul would have known that Jesus was in fact raised as a body. Wait, are you saying that Paul saw Jesus in physical form? Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stan4257 Posted March 20, 2008 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 421 Content Per Day: 0.07 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/24/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted March 20, 2008 Thomas even put his hand in the wound in his side and touched his nail pierced hands. The implication in Holy Scripture is that when faced with the opportunity Thomas had no need to do so. You are going to have to clarify this for me... I missed this one. Thomas is recorded as saying that unless this and that happened he would not believe, but when he actually met Jesus face to face he responded with immediate recognition without the need to do anything. The story in the verses John 20:24-28 suggests this to me. Sorry for being so vague in my previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grungekid Posted March 22, 2008 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 660 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/01/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1990 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Brothers and sisters of the faith, Below is an argument I recently came across which essentially denies the literal, physical resurrection of our Lord and Saviour. I think it expedient for us to consider and dismantle this damnable heresy which is as dangerous as the Universalist and unitarian heresies. I am very naive when it comes to motives, trusting far beyond what more astute minds will do and think, but the answer to your question is so obvious to anybody who claims to be a brother in the faith that it seems possible it is asked and detailed in full more as propaganda for disbelief than encouragement for those who do believe. There is nothing expedient about spreading obvious and easily disproved falsehoods about the resurrection of Jesus Christ, declared to be the Son of God by his resurrection in the flesh. Nor does it fool those who are in Christ when others attempt to spread anti-Christ propaganda under the pretext that to know the answer will be useful when having to disprove alternatives. There is only one resurrection from the dead in the physical body, and that is made blindingly clear in the witness of those who were there at the time when it happened to Jesus Christ. And any genuine Christian knows the answers and the proofs of the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ without needing to ask. Just looking at his name and recalling his posts here on these forums, I think we can make a failr reliable, basic judge of chararcter. From that, I think it's not too passive to say the good inquisitor is just giving us our theological target practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Hick Posted March 22, 2008 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 96 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 7 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/12/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted March 22, 2008 Brothers and sisters of the faith, Below is an argument I recently came across which essentially denies the literal, physical resurrection of our Lord and Saviour. I have included the full text in hopes of hearing how the folks here would go about refuting the argument. In the days before we celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ, I think it expedient for us to consider and dismantle this damnable heresy which is as dangerous as the Universalist and unitarian heresies. Do you really want to be drawn into an argument of semantics with your opponent? How about this simple question: When the stone was rolled away, where was the body? Afterall, if the resurrection was not physical in any way, then a body should still have been found in the tomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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