David of Derby Posted August 2, 2008 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 77 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 780 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/20/1983 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Got to admire the bloke's guts, though. He comes down the stairs with a shottie and takes on an Entire SWAT team. Most guys would have chucked the weapon and surrendered to eight blokes with SMGs... There again, that would have been the smart thing to do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axxman Posted August 2, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,292 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2008 Oh goody... Another BASH the Policeman thread! Nevermind the fact that they put themselves in harms way, on a daily basis, to serve their community. The family should sue..and they should definitely get compensation. And the police dept. should take EVERY opportunity to make sure that this situation doesn't repeat itself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckthesystem Posted August 2, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,706 Topics Per Day: 0.26 Content Count: 3,386 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/12/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/10/1955 Author Share Posted August 2, 2008 Oh goody... Another BASH the Policeman thread! Nevermind the fact that they put themselves in harms way, on a daily basis, to serve their community. The family should sue..and they should definitely get compensation. And the police dept. should take EVERY opportunity to make sure that this situation doesn't repeat itself... Oh that makes breaking into the wrong house at night and terrorising the family OK then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axxman Posted August 2, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,292 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted August 2, 2008 Oh goody... Another BASH the Policeman thread! Nevermind the fact that they put themselves in harms way, on a daily basis, to serve their community. The family should sue..and they should definitely get compensation. And the police dept. should take EVERY opportunity to make sure that this situation doesn't repeat itself... Oh that makes breaking into the wrong house at night and terrorising the family OK then! hmmmm.... I Don't think I said that! In Fact, I think I said the family SHOULD sue...and SHOULD BE compensated. However...I think that the sacrifices police officers make on a daily basis (something which you are not even able to comprehend, even if you cared) should get them a bit more respect than all of your police bashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David of Derby Posted August 2, 2008 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 77 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 780 Content Per Day: 0.13 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/29/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/20/1983 Share Posted August 2, 2008 Woah, Axxman. The police are worthy of respect. These particular officers, who bungled a simple operation, are probably not. Let's see, what were they trying to do? Enter a suspect's house and arrest him. Bad intell sent them to the wrong address, ok, not their fault. They enter the house and are confronted by one man with a weapon largely ineffective against their body armour. A firefight ensues, one man against at least eight, and they fail to nuetralise him. He's unarmoured, he's one man, opposed by a whole SWAT team with automatic weapons, and allegedly, anyway, CQB training. They need to spend more time on the range and in the killing house, I think. Then they might be able to arrest a suspect if they get sent to the right house next time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axxman Posted August 3, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 24 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,292 Content Per Day: 0.52 Reputation: 11 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/21/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted August 3, 2008 Woah, Axxman. The police are worthy of respect. These particular officers, who bungled a simple operation, are probably not. Let's see, what were they trying to do? Enter a suspect's house and arrest him. Bad intell sent them to the wrong address, ok, not their fault. They enter the house and are confronted by one man with a weapon largely ineffective against their body armour. A firefight ensues, one man against at least eight, and they fail to nuetralise him. He's unarmoured, he's one man, opposed by a whole SWAT team with automatic weapons, and allegedly, anyway, CQB training. They need to spend more time on the range and in the killing house, I think. Then they might be able to arrest a suspect if they get sent to the right house next time... Sorry David...in complete disagreement with you here. These police officers went into a home that they were told housed a violent criminal. They then came under fire with 2 officers getting hit by shotgun schrapnel. Because of their professionalism and calm under fire...this family walked out of the house without ANY injuries. This was NOT a long drawn out gun battle. I'm not exactly sure what you expected the officers to do differently. It sounds to me like you think they should have killed the guy...which is NEVER the mindset. I can guarantee you that these officers would have won this battle had the guy not surrendered when he did. Also...its important to point out that all 8 officers were probably not involved in the gunfight. Two, maybe three, at most. The others were more than likely clearing the rest of the house, covering retreat access, and possibly even at the back of the house. Based on reports the police identified themselves to the mans two son's who began yelling at their father to stop shooting at the police. Thats when the man put down his gun. It is highly unlikely that this "Rambo" faced 8 Swat team members all at once. This was a very short gun fight, not very many rounds were fired. I just think it is highly unfair and unjustified to attack these officers for doing their jobs well. Everyone of them was probably very upset at the situation. I know most of you think of police as cold-blooded killers with attitude problems...but the reality is that stuff like this effects them on a deep level. They were probably very upset at the idea that they could have killed an innocent victim...or that one of them could have been killed in this foul-up. Personally, I think the man should be proud of himself. He protected his home, and his family and was still focused enough to realize it was the police and stop shooting and lay on the ground. Maybe the police dept. should give him a medal too...along with a sizeable check! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Tagged as in, walked up to them and touched them on the shoulder? "Tagged" as in hit what he was shooting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckthesystem Posted August 3, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 1,706 Topics Per Day: 0.26 Content Count: 3,386 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/12/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/10/1955 Author Share Posted August 3, 2008 Oh goody... Another BASH the Policeman thread! Nevermind the fact that they put themselves in harms way, on a daily basis, to serve their community. The family should sue..and they should definitely get compensation. And the police dept. should take EVERY opportunity to make sure that this situation doesn't repeat itself... Oh that makes breaking into the wrong house at night and terrorising the family OK then! hmmmm.... I Don't think I said that! In Fact, I think I said the family SHOULD sue...and SHOULD BE compensated. However...I think that the sacrifices police officers make on a daily basis (something which you are not even able to comprehend, even if you cared) should get them a bit more respect than all of your police bashing. So by that logic: I break into a house and kill the occupants, when challenged I say "but I am in the volunteer fire brigade and put my life on the line on a daily basis, so I should get respect for that and this has far more weight than what I have just done". I contend that no matter what these people "do on a daily basis" is irrelevant. These people should not only be compensated, the members of the SWAT team should be accountable for their actions and go to jail. You or I would if we did something like that, what is so special about a SWAT team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted August 3, 2008 Share Posted August 3, 2008 Oh goody... Another BASH the Policeman thread! Nevermind the fact that they put themselves in harms way, on a daily basis, to serve their community. The family should sue..and they should definitely get compensation. And the police dept. should take EVERY opportunity to make sure that this situation doesn't repeat itself... Oh that makes breaking into the wrong house at night and terrorising the family OK then! hmmmm.... I Don't think I said that! In Fact, I think I said the family SHOULD sue...and SHOULD BE compensated. However...I think that the sacrifices police officers make on a daily basis (something which you are not even able to comprehend, even if you cared) should get them a bit more respect than all of your police bashing. So by that logic: I break into a house and kill the occupants, when challenged I say "but I am in the volunteer fire brigade and put my life on the line on a daily basis, so I should get respect for that and this has far more weight than what I have just done". I contend that no matter what these people "do on a daily basis" is irrelevant. These people should not only be compensated, the members of the SWAT team should be accountable for their actions and go to jail. You or I would if we did something like that, what is so special about a SWAT team? Wrong. the family needs to be compensated, but the SWAT members did not commit a crime. They were in the course of duty when the event occurred. It was mistake made in a sincere attempt to bring a known criminal to justice. A reasonable person can draw a moral distinction between that some hot-head who just barged into a house and started shooting without cause or provocation. If they just drove by a house and decided to raid it on a random whim, you might have a case. As it stands, you don't have a case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebula Posted August 3, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 5,823 Topics Per Day: 0.75 Content Count: 45,870 Content Per Day: 5.94 Reputation: 1,897 Days Won: 83 Joined: 03/22/2003 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/19/1970 Share Posted August 3, 2008 I agree with Axxman. The fault is with whomever bungled the information that sent the Swat team to the wrong house. But the fact that no one was killed should speak volumes to the discipline of the team. Unfortunately, the department truly ought to compensate the family for the damage done at minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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