ajesuschrist_mathetes Posted May 24, 2004 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 572 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/14/1944 Share Posted May 24, 2004 December 10,2002 Subject SURA References ------------------------- -------------------- JESUS CHRIST : o Not Crucified iv:157 o Not The Son of God iv:171;ix:30; xix:35,88-92 o Not God v:19,75 (Hell fire for belief that He is) o Not part of The Trinity iv:171;v:76 o No more than an apostle iv:171;v:78 THE TRINITY: o "Say not . desist. will iv:171 be better for you" o Blasphemy v:76 o Grievous penalty v:76 JEWS : o Enmity to Islam v:85 JEWS AND CHRISTIANS : o Take them not as v:54 friends and protectors o God's curse be on them ix:30 ______________________________________________________ From "The Glorious Kur'an Translation and Commentary by Abdallah Yousuf Ali" [completed by 'ABDULLAH YUSUF 'ALI November 14, 1937; Preface to Third Edition dated 1938] [Obtained from Sheikh Muhammad Al-Hanooti on September 17, 2001 at: Islamic Center of Capitol District 21 Lansing Road North Schenectady, New York 12304 (518)-374-2364 (518)-395-9866 Islamic Ctr. School Bldg] [Note that the above Subjects come directly from the Index given in this Kur'an under: ...Blasphemy...Jesus...Jews...] *Islam regards the Kur'an as the final Word of God. * A Muslim is a follower of the Islamic faith. ------------------------------------------------------ Sura iv:157 page 230 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Apostle of God";- But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, But so it was made To appear to them, And those who differ Therein are full of doubts, With no (certain) knowledge, But only conjecture to follow, For of a surety They killed him not:- Sura iv:171 page 233-234 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses In your religion: nor say Of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary Was (no more than) An apostle of God, And His Word, Which He bestowed on Mary, And a Spirit proceeding From Him: so believe In God and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: It will be better for you: For God is One God: Glory be to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above Having a son. To Him Belong all things in the heavens And on earth. And enough Is God as a Disposer of affairs. Sura v:19 page 246-247 In blasphemy indeed Are those that say That God is Christ The son of Mary. Say:"Who then Hath the least power Against God, if His Will Were to destroy Christ The son of Mary, his mother, And all-every one That is on the earth? For to God belongeth The dominion of the heavens And the earth, and all That is between. He createth What He pleaseth. For God Hath power over all things." Sura v:54 page 259-260 O ye who believe! Take not the Jews And the Christians For your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors To each other. And he Amongst you that turns to them (For friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not A people unjust. Sura v:75 page 266 They do blaspheme who say: "God is Christ the son Of Mary" But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! Worship God, my Lord And your Lord" Whoever Joins other gods with God,- God will forbid him The Garden, and the Fire Will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers Be no one to help. Sura v:76 page 266 They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three In a Trinity: for there is No god except One God. If they desist not From their word (of blasphemy), Verily a grievous penalty Will befall the blasphemers Among them. Sura v:78 page 266-267 Christ the son of Mary Was no more than An Apostle; many were The apostles that passed away Before him. His mother Was a woman of truth. They had both to eat Their (daily) food. See how God doth make His Signs clear to them; Yet see in what ways They are deluded Away from the truth! Sura v:85 page 268 Strongest among men in enmity To the Believers wilt thou Find the Jews and Pagans; And nearest among them in love To the Believers wilt thou Find those who say, "We are Christians": Because amongst these are Men devoted to learning And men who have renounced The world, and they Are not arrogant. Sura ix:30 page 448 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians Call Christ the Son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but imitate What the Unbelievers of old Used to say. God's curse Be on them:how they are deluded Away from the Truth! Sura xix:35 page 774 It is not befitting to (the majesty of) God That He should beget A son. Glory be to Him! When He determines A matter, He only says To it, "Be", and it is. Sura xix:88-92 page 785-786 They say: "(God) Most Gracious Has begotten a son!" Indeed ye have put forth A thing most monstrous! At it the skies are ready To burst, the earth To split asunder, and The mountains to fall down In utter ruin, That they should invoke A son for (God) Most Gracious. For it is not consonant With the majesty of (God) Most Gracious that He Should beget a son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JDJ Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 We'll see who is crying and gnashing their teeth in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajesuschrist_mathetes Posted May 25, 2004 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 572 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/03/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/14/1944 Author Share Posted May 25, 2004 To me, there is 0 doubt that the ultimate source of the Koran is the devil-" murderer from the beginning...liar and the father of it"<John 8:44>. I have been waging spiritual warfare via that file on Islam's teachings {emails to Newsmagazines-Time, Newsweek,UsNews, Weekly Standard, US. Catholic, many other places, Yahoo message boards-went right to the Islam boards, as well as those that ask questions like "Is Islam Satanic?". Got permanently booted off ABCNEWS boards -told i was slandering, etc. That last one was when then had a board discussing U.S. Gen Boykin's comment re Islam being Satanic:blew me away that they would censor posts re Islam being from the devil.! My guess is that there is some kind of official or unofficial info blackout re giving The Holy Bible Scriptures [e.g. <1John> obviously tells us that Islam is an antichrist religion] in comparison with the Koran. To me also <Revelation 12:9-13:7> fits with current reality. HOWEVER, be careful with that:remember that even the very elect might be deceived <Matthew 24:24> So anyway, when you hear ANYONE tell you that Islam is a great monotheistic religion hijacked by a small number of fanatics/extremists/al-queda/etc.:they are LYING! Pres. Bush has said that and Roman Catholicism pretty much says that also. Most of the Jesus Christ churches that i am aware of [but i am no expert, that is for sure] are pretty quiet about Islam. Maybe the American people could not take having many antichrist mosques scattered all over. My small experience with Muslims, however, is that they may not take the Koran seriously-i.e. cultural Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllforJesustheLord Posted May 25, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 557 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/07/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/21/1976 Share Posted May 25, 2004 Let me ask you do you know that the Roman soldiers, if they did not make sure He was dead, they themselves would get killed by there leaders, and the Roman soldiers were around the Masih all the time, even Joseph Masih. So they made sure He was dead they had to otherwise they were dead, and they are the ones who did not really care if he died, or not, the Jews wanted him dead, because He showed from the Jewish scriptures that he is Messiah(Masih), who has come to save us from our iniquities. Now you may not believe everyone one else who saw Him alive after His death, which was confirmed by the Roman soldiers, but many saw Him alive after He rose again, and I myself have seen Him when He choose to manifest Himself to me, and tell me somethings. We know Abraham was choosen correct, yes, and he had sons, Isaac, and Ismail, and God said both would be blessed, but God said He would choose Isaac as the seed of the promise. Now let us look at Genesis, in the Torah(Torat), we can see the only time which is spoken of the a women shall have a seed, mostly the scriptures always say this is the seed of man, of this person, and this seed is of another man, saying the different names of men, but this one time, we see when the satan, the adversary, deceived Eve, that God spoke to Eve, and to the adversary, and when God spoke He said the seed of the women would step on the adversary, why would the scripture say the women, because the Masih, was born of a women, her name being Mary(Maria), and no man had relations with her. Allah(God, ELoHeeM), sent His own Spirit into Maria(Mary), so that Allah(EL, God) put Himself on the inside of her, thus the seed of the women, the virgin, had a son, who is ELoHeeM(AllaH, God, Dios) with us. The One Eloheem manifested in the flesh, and let all who understand, and see the scriptures in the Holy Bible, are Set apart by God, He can make sure none of His own Words are gone, He will, and does make sure, no scripture is changed, or gone, or ever lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllforJesustheLord Posted May 26, 2004 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 16 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 557 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 10 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/07/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/21/1976 Share Posted May 26, 2004 Can you tell me how to say Joseph in Arabic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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