Guest shiloh357 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 GOD determined to save some despite the fact that they would reject HIM if left to there own will or choice.No, the Bible said that God loved the whole world enough to send His son. From the beginning HE saw that all of HIS creation would be lost, so HE made salvation available to all through the work of the cross.Why would God make salvation available to all if His intention was only to save some? Than, HIS love was so strong that HE could not abide the notion that all would reject and perish, so HE saves who it pleases HIM to save.The Bible does not say that. The Bible NOWHERE said that God selected only some to save. You have not ONE direct statement from the Bible to that effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave123 Posted December 30, 2008 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 84 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/29/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted December 30, 2008 Who is the Author of our faith, us or Jesus? The Bible tells us in Hebrews 12:2. Jesus is both the Author and Finisher of our faith. Philippians 1:29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Who is the Author of our faith, us or Jesus? The Bible tells us in Hebrews 12:2. Jesus is both the Author and Finisher of our faith. Philippians 1:29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake Dave In Hebrews 12:2 "author" is rendered from the Greek word archeĢg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave123 Posted December 30, 2008 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 84 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/29/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted December 30, 2008 Who is the Author of our faith, us or Jesus? The Bible tells us in Hebrews 12:2. Jesus is both the Author and Finisher of our faith. Philippians 1:29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake Dave In Hebrews 12:2 "author" is rendered from the Greek word archeĢg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted December 30, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.43 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Who is the Author of our faith, us or Jesus? The Bible tells us in Hebrews 12:2. Jesus is both the Author and Finisher of our faith. Philippians 1:29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake Dave In Hebrews 12:2 "author" is rendered from the Greek word archeĢg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave123 Posted December 31, 2008 Group: Junior Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 84 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/29/2004 Status: Offline Share Posted December 31, 2008 (edited) Who is the Author of our faith, us or Jesus? The Bible tells us in Hebrews 12:2. Jesus is both the Author and Finisher of our faith. Philippians 1:29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake Dave In Hebrews 12:2 "author" is rendered from the Greek word archeĢg Edited December 31, 2008 by Dave123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Who is the Author of our faith, us or Jesus? The Bible tells us in Hebrews 12:2. Jesus is both the Author and Finisher of our faith. Philippians 1:29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake Dave In Hebrews 12:2 "author" is rendered from the Greek word archeĢg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 We were not debating is GOD causes sin. We ars debating if GOD planned for it and uses it in HIS plans. Does god send evil spirits to do HIS work. The Bible gives many scriptures that say HE does. Yeah kross, you have already destroyed your credibility in this area. You have already told us that you think nothing, including sin happens unless God wills it and that the present sinful world is sinful because God intended it to be. You could at least have the integrity to take responsibility for your previous remarks. The truth, we are debating whether or not God causes sin, as most everyone on here has already stated that your remarks attribute sin to God. God uses the situations sin creates for His glory. He does not use the SIN itself. The Bible gives a lot of scriptures that you twist and pervert through the filter of your slopply theological approach to the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larryt Posted January 1, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 52 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,230 Content Per Day: 0.31 Reputation: 124 Days Won: 1 Joined: 08/22/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/03/1952 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 Yeah kross, you have already destroyed your credibility in this area. You have already told us that you think nothing, including sin happens unless God wills it and that the present sinful world is sinful because God intended it to be. You could at least have the integrity to take responsibility for your previous remarks. The truth, we are debating whether or not God causes sin, as most everyone on here has already stated that your remarks attribute sin to God. God uses the situations sin creates for His glory. He does not use the SIN itself. The Bible gives a lot of scriptures that you twist and pervert through the filter of your slopply theological approach to the Bible. It is your credibility that I call to question. I just skimmed the whole thread and noticed that you never did address the initial questions I posed. You started out making malicious comments and innuendos about how and what others believed without really addressing what we really said by adding and misinterpreting. And consensus is very often opposed to God. So here are the original questions. Try to be open and not deceptive in your answers and I will try to address them and give you an answer for the hope that is within me without slandering you or belittling you. I may not be so eloquent with words but I know whom I believe in. I am offering this in love and an opportunity to DISCUSS this topic. I understand there are differences in opinion, and believe that an open discussion without malignity will only further the cause of Christ. If you cannot refrain from malicious words then please stay away. The truth I wanted to debate here is not whether God causes sin but did Jesus promise to do something and will He be disappointed if He does not accomplish it. Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. Joh 6:39 And this is the Father Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovedya Posted January 1, 2009 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 375 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 11,400 Content Per Day: 1.43 Reputation: 125 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/30/2002 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/14/1971 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Who is the Author of our faith, us or Jesus? The Bible tells us in Hebrews 12:2. Jesus is both the Author and Finisher of our faith. Philippians 1:29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake Dave In Hebrews 12:2 "author" is rendered from the Greek word archeĢg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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