The Anti-Christ and Mr. Obama

[EricH]

There's no Biblical proof that the antichrist will come from Rome. That's mere speculation based on belief of a revived Roman empire, while the Book of Daniel does not show the old Roman empire will be revived. Ellen White believed that idea and made it popular with a lot of folks. It was a belief of the early Church because of their persecution by Rome, so they thought the antichrist prophecy was coming true in their days. It didn't. But some still hold onto that belief which is outdated.

The closest Biblical blueprint for the antichrist was Antiochus Epiphanes of SYRIA. He fulfilled the Daniel blueprint of the "vile person" in Jerusalem almost to a tee. The prophecy did not complete with him though (165 - 170 B.C.), and, our Lord Jesus gave the warning of the "abomination of desolation" from Daniel much later, after Antiochus had long been dead.

Also, per OT scripture, God uses the prophetic titles of "the Assyrian" and "the king of Babylon" for the final antichrist (Isaiah 14). That again gives the most probability that antichrist will come from the area of Syria.

Back up one. There is no biblical proof that there will be an Antichrist, as most understand the term to mean. Substitute the word "bogeyman' and that pretty much sums it up - "The Antichrist" is a bedtime story intended to frighten children.

Actually there is biblical data to support the idea of an anti-christ. So I am not sure what you are talking about here

[ColleenLovesMischief]

2Jn 1:7 Because many deceivers went out into the world, those not confessing Jesus Christ to have come in the flesh, this is the deceiver and the antichrist.

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit which does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not from God; and this is the antichrist which you heard is coming, and now is already in the world.

1Jn 2:22 Who is the liar, except the one denying, saying that Jesus is not the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one denying the Father and the Son.

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is a last hour, and as you heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have risen up, from which you know that it is a last hour.

[ColleenLovesMischief]

Dan 11:31 And forces will stand away from him, and they will profane the sanctuary, the fortress. And they shall remove the regular sacrifice, and they will place the abomination that desolates.

Dan 11:32 And he will defile by flatteries those who do evil against the covenant. But the people who know their God will be strong and will work.

Dan 11:33 And those who understand among the people will instruct many, yet they will stumble by the sword and by flame, by exile and spoil for days.

Dan 11:34 And when they shall stumble, they will be helped with a little help. But many will join them with hypocrisy.

Dan 11:35 And many of those who understand shall stumble, to refine and to purge them, and to make white to the time of the end. For it is yet for the appointed time.

Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will. And he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god; he shall even speak marvelous things against the God of gods and shall prosper until the fury is completed. For that which is decreed shall be done.

Dan 11:37 He shall not regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women; yea, he will not come to any god. For he shall magnify himself above all.

Dan 11:38 But in his place he shall honor the god of forces, and he shall honor a god whom his fathers did not know, with gold and silver and with precious stones, and desirable things.

Dan 11:39 And he shall act in the strongholds of the fortresses with a foreign god, whom he shall acknowledge. He shall multiply in glory, and he shall cause them to rule over many and shall divide the land for a price.

Dan 11:40 And at the end time, the king of the south will engage in butting with him. And the king of the north shall come against him like a tempest, with chariots and with horsemen and with many ships. And he shall go into the lands and shall overflow and pass over.

Dan 11:41 And he shall enter into the glorious land, and many will be stumbled. But these shall escape out of his hand: Edom and Moab, and the chief of the sons of Ammon.

Dan 11:42 And his hand will stretch out against the lands, and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

Dan 11:43 But he will rule over the treasures of gold and silver, and over all Egypt's desirable things. And the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

Dan 11:44 But news shall trouble him from the east and from the north. And he will go out with great fury to destroy and to devote many to destruction.

Dan 11:45 And he shall plant his palace tents between the seas, in the glorious holy mountain. Yet he shall come to his end, and there is not a helper for him.

Yup just sounds like a bad bedtime story.

[EricH]

2Jn 1:7 Because many deceivers went out into the world, those not confessing Jesus Christ to have come in the flesh, this is the deceiver and the antichrist.

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit which does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not from God; and this is the antichrist which you heard is coming, and now is already in the world.

1Jn 2:22 Who is the liar, except the one denying, saying that Jesus is not the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one denying the Father and the Son.

1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is a last hour, and as you heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have risen up, from which you know that it is a last hour.

Look at verse 18. John indicates that there are many; I would say that that number is in the millions. How do we go from many antichrists to one Lex Luthor-like bad guy? As I said before "The Antichrist" is a bedtime fable intended to frighten children.

Yes, and then he goes to the singular. Antichrists are here, and anti christ is coming.

[raleigh]

the antichrist is not nor will not be a man like bush,pope,or obama.the antichrist will be satan himself coming in his supernatural body claiming to be christ performing sign's and wonders to fool people into beleiveing he is christ come to fly them out of here.2thessalonians2:1-12.also mark 13:9-28 death here is one of satan names herbew2:14.because christians have been taught a rapture which is a false teaching read 1 thessalonians 4 where the rapture comes from if you go back up to verse 13 and read on thru verse18 you will see the subject is about where are the dead that have already died.since christian think christ is comeing 2 times 1rapture again the lords day.they will follow the first supernatrual being they see thinking he is christ.the devil is not and ugly being with a tail and horns and red all over.read ezekiel 28:1-19. also GOD dont like those who teach those to fly ( rapture)to save their soul read ezekiel13:17-23. the word antichrist means instead of christ.i also study the bible in the kjv,herbew,and greek.

[raleigh]

There's no Biblical proof that the antichrist will come from Rome. That's mere speculation based on belief of a revived Roman empire, while the Book of Daniel does not show the old Roman empire will be revived. Ellen White believed that idea and made it popular with a lot of folks. It was a belief of the early Church because of their persecution by Rome, so they thought the antichrist prophecy was coming true in their days. It didn't. But some still hold onto that belief which is outdated.

The closest Biblical blueprint for the antichrist was Antiochus Epiphanes of SYRIA. He fulfilled the Daniel blueprint of the "vile person" in Jerusalem almost to a tee. The prophecy did not complete with him though (165 - 170 B.C.), and, our Lord Jesus gave the warning of the "abomination of desolation" from Daniel much later, after Antiochus had long been dead.

Also, per OT scripture, God uses the prophetic titles of "the Assyrian" and "the king of Babylon" for the final antichrist (Isaiah 14). That again gives the most probability that antichrist will come from the area of Syria.

the antichrist will be no one else but satan himself in a super natrual body to fool the christian who have been taught the rapture read 2 thessalonians 2:1-12.

[ColleenLovesMischief]

the antichrist is not nor will not be a man like bush,pope,or obama.the antichrist will be satan himself coming in his supernatural body claiming to be christ performing sign's and wonders to fool people into beleiveing he is christ come to fly them out of here.2thessalonians2:1-12.also mark 13:9-28 death here is one of satan names herbew2:14.because christians have been taught a rapture which is a false teaching read 1 thessalonians 4 where the rapture comes from if you go back up to verse 13 and read on thru verse18 you will see the subject is about where are the dead that have already died.since christian think christ is comeing 2 times 1rapture again the lords day.they will follow the first supernatrual being they see thinking he is christ.the devil is not and ugly being with a tail and horns and red all over.read ezekiel 28:1-19. also GOD dont like those who teach those to fly ( rapture)to save their soul read ezekiel13:17-23. the word antichrist means instead of christ.i also study the bible in the kjv,herbew,and greek.

Scriptural backup please?

[Celt]

I think raleigh is closer 'literally' about the antichrist per The Bible. The word "antichrist" is not a proper name, but that doesn't mean it's not about someone specific that is to come. John used it both ways in 1 John 2, in the singualr, and in the plural. The Greek reveals more, because Greek 'anti' can also mean the idea of 'substitution', like 'instead of' or 'in place of'. The direct literal translation can then be, the 'in place of ' (Greek anti) 'Christ' (Greek Christos).

Have there been many through history that have sought to exalt themselves up above God? Yes. Do those types still exist today? Again yes. That's in the sense of "many antichrists". It points to a type of thinking and living of those who deny The Father and His Son Jesus Christ. In that sense also, they are indirectly placing themselves above God by denying Him. They may not admit they're doing that, nor say they are, but that's what they've done. Was there also one in the beginning, that exalted himself above God? Yes, that was the devil. That's exactly what the devil's original rebellion against God was about, per Ezekiel 28. It's very... important that we know and recognize that. Our Heavenly Father wants us to mark that event, and is why He taught about it in detail.

The subject of the "son of perdition" or "man of sin" or "that Wicked" in 2 Thess.2 by the apostle Paul is about a false one coming to actually try and put himself in place of God, and to be worshipped as God in the temple, while working with all power and signs and lying wonders (2 Thess.2:8-9). There's two other major Scripture parallels to that attempt at usurping God's Throne with God mocking Satan in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28, because Satan has already declared that he will sit in God's place ("sides of the north" of Isa.14, which is symbolic of God's Throne). So for anyone that's actually read and studied what God said about the devil wanting to sit in God's place in those Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 examples, how could that same parallel which Paul gave in 2 Thess.2:3-11 be missed?

Also, throughout the Old Testament, we're given example after example of pagan kings that sought to exalt theirselves above God. So how could anyone studied in The Bible miss those examples God gave in His Word too? And since God ultimately is pointing to the devil with such an event, as Satan was the first to rebel against Him in coveting His Throne, then how can anyone leave the devil out of that picture, even more so after our Heavenly Father gave a very detailed picture of that in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28-31?

There's difficulty with understanding many Bible prophecies, because it's hard to decipher prophecies that are given in a metaphorical context. Even with those types of Messages our Lord is pointing literally to someone, something, some specific event, or even a reoccuring type. Not many are satisfied to dig deeper into God's Word to discover those parts the way The Holy Spirit intended them. Some try to apply 'scientific method' type reasonings to the study of Bible prophecy, when most of the time we only need to study all The Bible first, and then ponder, heeding the details while also remembering to step back and take an overall birds-eye view.

Understanding about the 'antichrist' needs both a look at the details of more than one Scripture, and then taking a birds-eye view of the events associated with that Message, from both Old and New Testaments, and then comparisons in history. If there's a Scripture detail given that has never been fulfilled, then God has given the prophecy in blueprint form for a reoccuring type that keeps happenning over and over in stages until all the events are literally fulfilled completely in final.

The antichrist prophecy is of that type, and actually did not begin with the "antichrist" phrase by John. This is why John pointed out to those he was speaking to that they had already heard that Message before. So in 1 John 2 through 4, he was actually expounding on an older prophecy that was looked for in the "last time". And what did those early Apostles of Christ have as Holy Writ in their day for that? The Old Testament Books. That means we MUST especially look back to the Old Testament prophecies to get more of a picture of that "antichrist" Message.

Some of you are very lacking in that area of Old Testament Book prophecy, which is what will happen by depending upon someone else to do your Bible studying for you. The fact that those who have studied enough of the OT parallels, and have to keep mentioning the Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 Messages in relation to the idea of the "antichrist" shows this. There's more early parallels than just the Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 examples. So those who have done their OT homework in that, when they begin to read Paul's warning in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 forward, it's like The Holy Spirit sounding a loud alarm bell.

[ColleenLovesMischief]

Some of you are very lacking in that area of Old Testament Book prophecy, which is what will happen by depending upon someone else to do your Bible studying for you.

Very rude.....you have to keep in mind not all on this board understand exactly what they are reading. I find that very degrading.

[HAZARD]

The mark of the beast will not be 666.

There are three brands men will have a choice of taking in the days of the Antichrist inside his kingdom.

They are his name, his mark, and the number of his name (Rev. 13:16-18).

The name and mark of this man is not given in scripture; so no one will know what they are until he comes and men get to know what his name and mark will be, and what he will chose to put on his followers.

The only one of these three brands that is given is the number of his name, and that is stated as being 666 in Rev. 13:18.

So 666 is not the name or the mark of the beast. It is the number of the beast.

The Antichrist will reign over only ten kingdoms that are yet to be formed inside the yet to be revived, Old Roman Empire. (Dan. 7:23-24).

Only these ten kingdoms will give their power and kingdoms to him. (Rev.13:1; 17:12-17).

Certain countries will escape his rule (Dan.11:40-44).

Certain countries will make war on him at the very time he is supposed to be ruling the whole world (Dan. 11:40-44).

Because he will reign only over ten countries inside the Roman Empire territory and because America is not inside that territory and never will be, and because certain countries will escape him we can scripturally conclude that he will never rule America or be a world-wide dictator.

Therefore, multitudes of people of many nations will also never take the mark of the beast and they will never be killed by the Antichrist for not doing so.

The Bible speaks of many peoples of many nations that are left after the reign of the Antichrist, people who will be alive in the Millennium and will go up yearly to worship God (Zech. 14:16-21).

This further limits the kingdom of the Antichrist to only part of the world and also limits his ability to kill every one who does not take the mark even in his own empire. According to Rev. 14:9-11 no one who has taken the mark will go into the Millennium, but will be sent to eternal Hell.

That multitudes go into the Millennium proves they have not taken the mark of the beast and have not been killed, as taught by many Bible teachers.

If the Antichrist were to kill every person who does not take his mark, and God sends to Hell every one who does take the mark, then there would be not one person left to enter the Millennium.