The Barbarian

Sorry, he's got way more credibility than you. So do you think you existed in the day that God made the Heavens and Earth, or do you not think God created you? But not you. Or are you now telling us that you were there with Adam? C'mon.

The dance is in pretending the days in the creation story are literal 24 hour days. Which, as you know, even early Christians knew they were not.

So do you think you existed in the day that God made the Heavens and Earth, or do you not think God created you? Energy is a part of the physical universe, but it has negligible mass, so you're right for practical purposes.

That's your problem. If a big light in the sky is morning, then moonrise would be morning. And as you seem to be about to realize, that is absurd. I get that you don't really believe the Bible, without your modifications. And that's a shame. Christian theologians such as St. Augustine pointed out that the days cannot be literal, a very long time ago. Why do you scoff at Christians? I thought you claimed to be one. Is there anything in the Bible with which you agree?

He uses the words we do. So we know that He meant the same thing we do. If you have to dance around like that, it's another sign that you're unwilling to accept His word.

The appearance of the Sun in the East is morning. Nope. You just made that up. I said that if "big light in the sky" was morning, then moonrise would be morning. C'mon. Everyone can see it here. Morning is when the Sun (not the moon or other big light) appears in the east. Evening is when the sun goes below the horizon in the west. You may be a creationist, but I don't think you're that much of a creationist.

But Genesis was written long after creation. And words mean things. If you try to change them to fit your new doctrines, that's a clear indication that you doctrines are wrong.

At the equator. It gets slower as you go north or south.

If you have to change the meanings of words to get a doctrine to fit, that's a pretty good sign there's a flaw in it. Or maybe it's true as written and the "days" are not literal 24-hour days. One of those.

Rotation of the Earth is not morning. The appearance of the Sun in the East is morning. If you have to redefine words to make your new theology work, isn't that a pretty good clue that there's something wrong with it? You're starting to get overexcited and repeating false doctrines again.

Notice that Hawking assumes the universe to exist so that it "creates itself." Ask him. Neither of you seem to accept God's word on this. If you do make it to Heaven, you are going to be shocked to see who is there with you. By definition. But of course only God decides who is saved. Theology won't save you. Loving God and loving your neighbor will save you, according to Jesus. It's why He told His people it's better to be a heretic who cares for his neighbor than a Levite who does not. Jesus disagrees with you. You should listen to Him.

Are you a creature of God? If so, you're wrong. Try to accept it His way.

Nevertheless, if "morning" merely meant "big light in the sky", then moonrise would be morning. And it's not. I just don't insert the modifications you put in yours. I accept it His way. You should, too. But as you learned, "big light in the sky" does not mean "morning." Denying this plain truth that anyone who can read can validate does NOT make you look enlightened. It merely makes you appear unwilling to accept God's word.

No. And there is no "heat energy." You've confused heat (transfer of thermal energy) with thermal energy. Entropy is a measure of the amount of thermal energy not available for work. In fact, there's nothing to stop God from creating a universe to renew after a period. Your opinion does not obligate God to do anything. Notice that Hawking assumes the universe to exist so that it "creates itself." If you do make it to Heaven, you are going to be shocked to see who is there with you. And who is not.

So your claim is that He is still creating, but He's not still creating. Doesn't sound like a very good argument, does it?