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Hi MorningGlory, I don't think he liked the idea that science is found in scripture,.. if you can show how and where it's found, people might believe. Also (I have thick skin) your in my prayers, and thanks.

Hi Lurker,.. umm who are you mad at? The title starts with: A little...I think you can understand the rest, if you think about it for awhile, but maybe not?

Hello 'oldzimm': I'll answer the first question with a no, and the secound, with a yes (All sin except God).

No! Now what you do in that bar, might be a sin?.. This is the short answer, and a good question for a thread.

OK, I thought I told 1/2 of you people to stay home ((iidb), by reading your posts I can see your spirits; (just look the word up in your dictionaries and you'll see that it means your intellect), just change some user names and you get matches, at least for some of the older users). Alright then, it wasn't that funny. On a diffrent note, the letter x is my favorite and the ancient Phoenicians letter 'samekh' looks like a triple set of arms on a telephone pole. The Greeks changed that into their symbol x called 'chi', that the Romans refined with serifs and we use this today. The symbol x in science stands for the unknown (Good-ole Willy Roentgen discovered x-rays in the mid 1890's and called them that because at first he didn't know what they were?). In Christianity the x stands for Christ (In the early 1950's molecular biologist Elsie Franklin used x-rays to take the first pictures of deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA)). I said all of that, to say the Hebrew word translated "from his ribs" in: Genesis 2.21 is: 'tsalah' meaning 1/2 of a curve. Now iwhen you split the base pairs double helix, the DNA reproduces its self (boys and girls if you like), also this is a reason a growing number of scientists are changing their minds (scratching their heads and butts with a "hum" in their closed mouths) about evolution/forced change & God. Share your thoughts please and thanks in advance. Loving God is good

'For when they shall say," peace and safty;" then sudden destruction cometh upon them as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.' I added the bold to~ 1st Thessalonians 5.3 ~because even though "they" can read, God is in control of everything.

God told more than Jeremiah that He knew him before he was in his mother's womb, He said the same about Jacob and Esau, you can read it in: Romans 9.11 or the whole story dealing with the brithright in Genesis chapter 25. Christ told Nicodemus (John chapter 3) that he had to be born from above; "born again" = 'born from above' (please get the Greek dictionary out people). Christ explains this very well in this chapter; we also have the lawyer Paul teaching about two bodies in: 1st Corinthians chapter 15. I hope this helps more?

Hi Parker: A good start is understanding what you read, like the Hebrew word 'hayah' that is translated "was" in Genesis 1.2, should have been translated 'became'. This sort of thing happens more than one would think, thats why we need dictionaries and such as that (plaese read Isaiah 45.18). Don't throw out the books of knowledge, they agree with scripture (for the most part) and it's true, that this earth is very old. So now another question should be something like; what happened? Well keep that dictionary open because rigth there in that same verse (Genesis1.2) is your answer, "darkness" = the Hebrew 'choshok'. This should be a good start for you, and I hope it helps?

Hello Shalhevet: The Hebrew 'Elohim' is God and the hosts of heaven (but not all of them). Read Jeremiah 1.5 for more proof, and that is just about as short of an answer as I can think of. edit: for spelling.

It's not so tough to understand that John chapter 17 is about Christ and (you belonging to Him) all that are His.., now is it? Also that satan is only one that fits into 2nd Thessalonians 2.3- 4

agua: You answered part fo my prayer by giving the diffrent definitions and looking at the passages. But what I wanted you to see is that all of chapter 17 in the book of John is about you. Then also to search out the words Christ used (son of perdition) in other places, so that it leaves no doubt in your mind who that son of perdition is ! Like: 2nd Thessalonians 2.3-4 "Let no man dedeceive you by any mean: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped: so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Edited to say, it's only satan thats going to do that.

So now the thread starts to go somewhere? If that were true, the devil would not be able to use it. But he does. 2 Corinthians 11 12 But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast. 13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. 2 Peter 3 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. Scriptures and text that are authorative are one thing. However; there are corrupted text but using a play on words - God's word stands. His true word stands and has been perserved and will be perserved. His authority is above all and yes the devil or satan is a whipped puppy. There are many corrupted text and manuscripts and codex. Manuscripts like the LXX and Hexpla are not to be take as authorative. Codex like the 1010 AD, 1488 and 1844 are corrupted books. Aboved mentioned were not accepted by the early Christians but that is not to say that they were not accepted by some. I very much like: 2nd Timothy2.15 'Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.' Thanks to all.

From cover to cover it's all about Christ; Psalms 40.7 is written again in: Hebrews 10.7 'Then said I, Lo, I come in the volume of the book it is written of Me to do Thy will, O God'.

We are told that Judas repented in Matthew 27.3. But the dragon; that old serpent; the devil; who is satan, the utter and final ruin that can't be reversed: this is death, or the son of perdition (if you like). And thanks for the interesting thread.

Hi aqua : I think your first question is the death of the flesh because we find in: 2nd Peter 3.8 that a day with God, is as a thousand years. And we find no one living over that amount of time in scripture. I also think the answer to your secound question is both physical and spiritual. Give: John 17.12 a read and look-up that word 'perdition' also ckeck out Revelation 6.8, I hope all this helps you.

Christ teaches that all creation will be judged, and the secound coming (there is no rapture) is just the start. We also learn ~Ezekiel 18.4~ that our very souls belong to Him, then at the death of the flesh, no one goes anywhere except back to Him ~Ecclesiastes 12.7~, it's all part of His will. He dosn't need a regrouping of any kind, or a time-line of 7 years or three and one half, (check out the 5 months in Revelations 9.5), it's all His, He even shortens time in: Matthew 24.22 and when it's right, we'll all know (remember the melted meat and burning bone we talked about?) ! Christ dosn't teach a rapture.

Hi Massorite, the contradiction isn't a process, but a damnable heresy and an out-n-out lie! Rapture believers think and teach that it is only the people that will be 'caught away' when Christ returns, whereas all things; even time, will change at the Secound Advent of Christ.

You keep calling these events a rapture and Christ never teaches this, infact He teaches the oppsite! Please show us where Christ teaches a rapture?

Hi alex73, I like Ecclesiastes 12.13-14, it's The Word. And I'll repeat whats already been said, that is to do the best you can with what you have? A small edit from~ 3.11: "He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also He hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the begining to the end."

Nowhere in 1st Corinthians do we see a rapture, only a secound coming. In the Old Testament we see God is against this so called rapture, and Christ never teaches it either, can you show us where Christ teaches this? He doesn't. God's will isn't hard to follow, from cover to cover the bible is about Christ. He teaches us in Matthew 4.17 to repent as the "...Kingdom of heaven is at hand", but all the people didn't see any change, infact they might have thought ...'what kingdom?' So instead they hang Him on a cross, but that plays in God's favor, because of all the souls yet unborn in the flesh. He knows the "... But now ..." in Luke 22.36, puts God's Kingdom on hold until judgment. He teaches no rapture, but a salvation instead. I got another question. Do you even bother to read the scriptures offered to you? because they are from God, not me.

What Christ is teaching about in no way harms GerdaHannah's view, He teaches the same thing Ecclesiastes 12.6-7 teaches, and then some. Paul teaches about the two bodies people have in 1st Corinthians 15.40 , please share a stable view of yours and forgive my tone (you too GerdaHannah), I meant no harm.

Hi pokemaughan, statutes and ordinances are not laws, like the ten we see in Exodus 20.2-17, and Christ teaches all ten in: 1.) = Matthew 22.37 2.) = John 4.24 3.) = Matthew 5.34 4.) = Mark 2.27 5.) = Matthew 15.4-6 6.) = Matthew 5.21 7.) = Matthew 19.18 8.) = Matthew 15.19 9.) = Matthew 12.34-37 10.) = Matthew 5.28 I hope this helps. Loving God is good

No, the breath of life body is already inside each of us. Lets use the example: I'm looking at you as your looking at me (in the flesh), then God's consuming fire melt our flesh and we see burning bones and other corruptibles also, leaving that breath of life body standing instead (like documented in Matthew 16.27-28, along with other agreeing passages throughout scripture). This isn't a rapture, it's judgment time.

Hi Paul 84, I like your post. You're not giving yourself enough credit, because you read correctly. God bless you.

The secound advent of Christ is for judgment, and is not referring to anything else.