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I read some of the article you listed. I am not going to debate historical opinion. It doesn't change the overall point. They were a part of the roman army. They destroyed the temple and the city of Jerusalem. The people who destroyed the city and the temple whatever there ethnic background, are the people of the Prince that confirms the covenant with many, whom most also call the anti-Christ. The point is the same. By the way, after all your comments to me about responding with scripture, I would appreciate it if you would do the same. I can see by your lack of interest in not reading the article that you do no not like being confronted with the evidence, and truth, and the evidence, no matter what you say, does make a big difference. You indifference shows because you are still saying it was the roman ancestry, when evidence presented to you shows you are wrong. I never intended you to debate historical opinion because the evidence does not need a debate. Evidence speaks for itself, which you do not want to admit. I really do not have anything more to say to you, except I have put up more than enough scripture in all of my posts where required and you have not been able to or refused to refute one point I have addressed in my comments..

You want your verses, so be it. I will write this knowing that it is the Holy Spirit who reproves sin and changes the heart ( John16:8 ) And not me. Daniel 9: 26-27 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. First I want you to notice the part of the verse I bolded. The people who would destroy Jerusalem and the temple would have a Prince that is yet to come. That is what the bible says. I say yet to come because it doesn't say come back. It doesn't say return, it says that shall come. Look at it in Greek, Hebrew, Latin or English. It all says the same thing. The prince of the people that destroys Jerusalem and the temple has not come yet but will. This is who verse 27 is talking about. Well, first things first. Who destroyed Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD? Who is the people spoken about in this verse? Was it the Jews? No, It was the Romans! The Romans are the people that destroyed Jerusalem and the temple, which means they are the people of the prince yet to come spoken about in the verse, and the Prince can't be Jesus because he has already come once and been cut off. Now before I get into verse 27, I need to post some other verses about the same time and event. Daniel 11:30-32 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant. 31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. 32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits. Now before I post the other verses, let's talk about these. Talking about the same event. Notice how the bible makes a difference between The Holy Covenant and the covenant. The difference is the Holy covenant is between us and God, and the other covenant is just between man. That's why one is called the Holy covenant and the other is not. the covenant in these verses called just the covenant is talking about the same covenant that was made with many in 9:27. Also notice the word pollute. That means when the abomination that causes desolation takes place it defiles the temple. It pollutes it. Notice also the end of that same verse that the abomination that causes desolation is Placed in the temple. It's not a act by a person away from the temple, it's not the destruction of the temple. They place the abomination that causes desolation in the temple. Last thing about these verses, if you read right into chapter 12, it shows you it leads right into the end. If the 70 weeks were already finished then Daniel 12 would have happened already. I know, you don't believe me, Let's see if you will believe Jesus. Matthew 24:15-31 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Now first things first, What was it you said? There was no mention of a 2000 year gap in Daniel? Well, there isn't one here. Read the verses, this is even more clear than Daniel was, and it's spoken directly by Christ. After the abomination of Desolations ( Matt. 24:15 ) is the return of Christ ( matt. 24:31 ). No time gap of 2000 years is mentioned. Daniel 9 makes clear the abomination of desolations takes place in the 70th week. Jesus talks about it as though it had not happened yet and was going to happen in the future. Also Jesus makes clear that it will be a pivotal event that happens right before his return. There are your verses. If the 70 weeks were complete then Jesus would have already returned. firestormix: Before I address anything else in your post, I will first refute your first point and show where you are in error: It was not the Romans who destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple, even tho the Roman commanders ordered the destruction under Titus. It pays to do your research. For this reason, I am going to put up a short article for you to read on the true evidence: Why would anyone think it was Jesus? That's absurd. There is overwhelming evidence, not only from ancient historians but also modern day scholarship points us to ethnic identity of the “Roman” peoples that destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple. They were the ancestors of the Muslim peoples that dominate the entire region today. Read this

Nice... change the subject. Avoid my questions. I could say the same about you, but instead I will give you more scripture to disprove: The overspreading of the abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate Daniel 9:27 This passage refers to the end of Jerusalem and its sanctuary as a result of wars. When you therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoever reads, let him understand:) (16) Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains: Matthew 24:15 (Mark 13:14) But when you shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that reads understand,) then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains: Mark 13:14 These clearly speak of the destruction of Jerusalem in the days of Titus in 70 AD, and the trodden down of Jerusalem by the Gentiles from wars, including the Islamics, who put the Dome of The Rock on the Temple Mount. Mark 13:14 refers to "it" standing in the Holy Place. Since when is "antichrist" called an "it?" Of course pre-trib teachers don't believe this because it doesn't fit in with a pre-trib rapture theory, so they created the gap theory.

So? This doesn't change anything about the interpretation and the time span of the entire prophecy. Huh? Daniel never said Israel or Jerusalem would complete the prophecy-- Daniel was speaking of Judah's Messiah" How could Israel and Jerusalem ever fulfill the criteria? Israel is not the messiah. How could Israel seal up the vision and prophecy? finish the transgressions? to bring in everlasting righteousness? At the time Daniel was given the prophecy, Daniel was praying for mercy and guidance for his people as they were going to go back to their homeland Daniel 1:19 and it was nearing the end of Jeremiah's prophecy of the 70 year captivity. Regarding this vision, Jeremiah prophesied that after 70 years accomplished at Babylon, speaking aabout the LORD "I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place". Jeremiah 29:10 If this prophecy is not about Jesus Christ, then who is the Messiah who was cut off after threescore and two weeks? vs. 26 but not for himself? Why would Daniel, after prophesizing the above about Judah's Messiah, change the subject in the middle of the scripture in the very next verse 27 and say "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week" speak of antichrist when the entire prophecy is about the Messiah? The covenant confirmed was the New Covenant by Jesus or the New Testament while He was on earth for 3.5 years and ending with His crucifixion and resurrection. Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: The problem with pre trib teacher's rapture thinking is that they have had to make a new dispensation period to cover for their misguided thinking of a pre-trib rapture, thus we have the 2,000+ gap theroy which came about with the pre-trib rapture theory in the 1800's. People like Thomas Ice think that they need to postpone God's prophetic clock, and have created an unbiblical gap in the countdown of the 69th and 70th week, because according to these pre-trib misguided teachers, Jesus did not establish His kingdom due to the Jews rejecting him. Without a gap, according to their way of thinking, it blows a hole in their pre-trib rapture, great tribulation and rebuilt temple theory, and there can be none of these events. Thus, they have created the gap theory In plain English, no gap = no pre-trib rapture. According to these misguided teachers, Daniels's 69 weeks ended in AD33 and they, and their followers are still waiting for God to restart his prophetic time clock. This totally contradicts Jesus' message when he was looking ahead to the end of the 70th week when he said "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand --Mark 1:15. Jesus being God knew that the kingdom of God was to come at the end of the 70th week. If Jesus knew this, and said this, which He did, then obviously the end of Daniel's 70th week was at hand. If on the other hand, Jesus knew that there was to be a 2000 year gap between the 69th and 70th week, Jesus was wrong and misleading to say "the time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand." I hardly think Jesus was wrong or misleading, but it appears that pre-trib teachers and their followers do. Jesus, being God, knew Daniel's 9:24-27 prophecy better than anyone and His statement that the establishment of the kingdom was near and at hand by saying "the time is fulfilled' is more than proof there is not a 2,000 year gap between the 69th and 70th week, which means there is no pre-trib rapture. I don't want any opinion which "presumes" your pre-trib interpretation is true thus imposing it on the scriptures to prove it true. I believe scripture in Daniel 9 reads straight through. I believe Jesus was the Messiah cut off in the midst of the week and Jesus early ministry started at the beginning of the 70th week (Mark 1:15 when Jesus said "the time is fulfilled"; the kingdom of God is at hand." Using common sense, He walked the earth 3.5 years. Further, I'd like to know how is it that the first 69 weeks is about the Messiah, but then it abruptly changes to the "antichrist" since there is nothing in Daniel which says that the "antichrist" puts an end to sacrifices? Also, I'd like to know once the sacrifices were ended with Jesus' crucifixion ,and when the temple was destroyed in 70AD, where does it say that they would ever continue, so someone else would put an end to the sacrifices too? Where is the scriptural proof? I have a very difficult time believing that the "he in Daniel 9:27 is different from the Messiah spoken of in Daniel 9:26. Can I suggest you read these verses in Hebrew. When you do, you will see your interpretation is off. For instance, verse 27 is clear that it is an abomination that stops the sacrifice in the temple. What abomination are you suggesting that Jesus committed to stop the sacrifice? Lastly, I'm not pre-trip, so please don't throw that accusation at me. P.S. The anti-Christ is first found in verse 26 not 27. No the antichrist is not found in verse 26. Anyone can say anything is in the Bible, but my Bible does not read antichrist in vs. 26.That is an unproven theory and assumption. You nicely dodged all the questions I have presented which proves what I have said, which leads me to believe that you have no scriptural evidence to answer any of my questions. <<< removed personal attack >>> And yes, I have referenced with the Greek/Hebrew Concordance. I probably have done as much, or more research on Daniel 9:24-27 as you, so please don't imply that I haven't and suggest that I read this or that. huh? I never said Jesus committed any abomination. I cannot help but notice you took one word out of a whole passage and distorted what I said, or perhaps you do not understand what I said. I think you need to read the prophecy in it's in entirety and then refer to my questions in lieu of picking out words to distort a passage. Honestly, I am getting tired of repeating myself. You may not be pre trib, but your opinions are based upon those set by pre-trib teachers, who also cannot answer the valid questions that searching people ask rather than to take some man's teaching as fact. I would also appreciate it if you are going to make scriptural claims, please put the scriptures up as I have done, and point to the scriptures where it says what you are saying. Otherwise, it is worthless to discuss this with you.

So? This doesn't change anything about the interpretation and the time span of the entire prophecy. Huh? Daniel never said Israel or Jerusalem would complete the prophecy-- Daniel was speaking of Judah's Messiah" How could Israel and Jerusalem ever fulfill the criteria? Israel is not the messiah. How could Israel seal up the vision and prophecy? finish the transgressions? to bring in everlasting righteousness? At the time Daniel was given the prophecy, Daniel was praying for mercy and guidance for his people as they were going to go back to their homeland Daniel 1:19 and it was nearing the end of Jeremiah's prophecy of the 70 year captivity. Regarding this vision, Jeremiah prophesied that after 70 years accomplished at Babylon, speaking aabout the LORD "I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place". Jeremiah 29:10 If this prophecy is not about Jesus Christ, then who is the Messiah who was cut off after threescore and two weeks? vs. 26 but not for himself? Why would Daniel, after prophesizing the above about Judah's Messiah, change the subject in the middle of the scripture in the very next verse 27 and say "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week" speak of antichrist when the entire prophecy is about the Messiah? The covenant confirmed was the New Covenant by Jesus or the New Testament while He was on earth for 3.5 years and ending with His crucifixion and resurrection. Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: The problem with pre trib teacher's rapture thinking is that they have had to make a new dispensation period to cover for their misguided thinking of a pre-trib rapture, thus we have the 2,000+ gap theroy which came about with the pre-trib rapture theory in the 1800's. People like Thomas Ice think that they need to postpone God's prophetic clock, and have created an unbiblical gap in the countdown of the 69th and 70th week, because according to these pre-trib misguided teachers, Jesus did not establish His kingdom due to the Jews rejecting him. Without a gap, according to their way of thinking, it blows a hole in their pre-trib rapture, great tribulation and rebuilt temple theory, and there can be none of these events. Thus, they have created the gap theory In plain English, no gap = no pre-trib rapture. According to these misguided teachers, Daniels's 69 weeks ended in AD33 and they, and their followers are still waiting for God to restart his prophetic time clock. This totally contradicts Jesus' message when he was looking ahead to the end of the 70th week when he said "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand --Mark 1:15. Jesus being God knew that the kingdom of God was to come at the end of the 70th week. If Jesus knew this, and said this, which He did, then obviously the end of Daniel's 70th week was at hand. If on the other hand, Jesus knew that there was to be a 2000 year gap between the 69th and 70th week, Jesus was wrong and misleading to say "the time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand." I hardly think Jesus was wrong or misleading, but it appears that pre-trib teachers and their followers do. Jesus, being God, knew Daniel's 9:24-27 prophecy better than anyone and His statement that the establishment of the kingdom was near and at hand by saying "the time is fulfilled' is more than proof there is not a 2,000 year gap between the 69th and 70th week, which means there is no pre-trib rapture. I don't want any opinion which "presumes" your pre-trib interpretation is true thus imposing it on the scriptures to prove it true. I believe scripture in Daniel 9 reads straight through. I believe Jesus was the Messiah cut off in the midst of the week and Jesus early ministry started at the beginning of the 70th week (Mark 1:15 when Jesus said "the time is fulfilled"; the kingdom of God is at hand." Using common sense, He walked the earth 3.5 years. Further, I'd like to know how is it that the first 69 weeks is about the Messiah, but then it abruptly changes to the "antichrist" since there is nothing in Daniel which says that the "antichrist" puts an end to sacrifices? Also, I'd like to know once the sacrifices were ended with Jesus' crucifixion ,and when the temple was destroyed in 70AD, where does it say that they would ever continue, so someone else would put an end to the sacrifices too? Where is the scriptural proof? I have a very difficult time believing that the "he in Daniel 9:27 is different from the Messiah spoken of in Daniel 9:26.

I have read and heard Pre-trib rapture teachers and followers proclaim while they are having a big wedding party after they have been raptured outa here, Israel is being punished during the 70th week, but as you can see from my earlier post (I hope), Israel's transgressions have already been atoned for ending the 70th week theory. Nikki this makes sense to me (for the first time), thanks for that. I've believed that the church was in this 'gap' grace period of the 70 weeks, but it never quite made sense to me, its...illogical, to me. However, I still believe that Dan 9:24 is yet to be fulfilled (in greater completion). But the fact that Israel will still be punished during the last week does not compute. If we, as (pre-trib/pre-wrath) believers, believe that we will be spared this wrath, why then would the last generation of Jews be left holding the ball to receive the wrath? I'm basically just thinking out loud here - thanks Nikki for putting that in terms that compute. That's just it according to the prophecy, Israel has answered for all of their (past) transgressions after the 490 years or 70 weeks had passed. Care to share what it is about Daniel 9:24 that you don't think is fulfilled completely? Recent evangelical teaching pushes the idea that there is a long gap (theory) but what is the justification for this theory? Why are we not to take the whole of the 70 weeks as one consecutive event after another? Since there is no gap between the first seven weeks and the following sixty-two weeks, (the first and second divisions of the total period) it comes as a doubtful idea to find this extraordinarily log gap to exist between the second and third division. This length gap completely breaks the natural continuity of the prophecy. It has long been established that the period of 490 years was a period prophesied that continued uninterrupted from its start to completion. How can anyone imagine there is an interval between the sixty-nine and the one (week) when these two together make up the seventy? This Messianic consecutive interpretation of Daniel 9 has been eclipsed almost completely in historical-critical scholarship. Some of the representative voices among exegetes of the last 150 years are E.W. Hengstenberg, J.N. Andrews, E.B. Pusey, J. Raska, J. Hontheim, Boutflower and O. Gerhardt. Another commentary over the last 150 years, P. Mauro, has shown that there is ‘an absolute rule, admitting of no exceptions, that when a definite measure of time or space is specified by the number of units composing it, within which a certain event is to happen, or a certain thing is to be found, the units of time or space which make up that measure are to be understood as running continuously and successfully. This is based on the observation that the 430 years of Genesis 15:13, Exodus 12:20, Galatians 3;17; the 40 years of the wilderness wandering of Numbers 14:34; and the seven years of plenty and of famine of Genesis 45:6 were respectively consecutive years. The three days after which Jesus was to arise were also consecutive. Since these time periods were consecutive, the natural thing would be to expect the 70 weeks of Daniel 9:24-27 likewise to be 70 consecutive weeks” (F. Holbrooke, pp.22-23, emphasis added). If the 70th week is past and completed then Daniels people (Israel) and Daniels holy city (Jerusalem) have completed their six tasks; being 1. finish transgression (Israel still transgresses), 2. put an end to sin (Israel still is in sin, they have been plucked out of the vine), 3. to atone for wickedness (no atonement has been established, they still do not call on God), 4. to bring in everlasting righteousness (Israel is not there yet, when they say "The Lord is our God", it will begin, 5. To seal up vision and prophecy (Rev was written in about 90 to 95 AD (full of visions and prophecy), 6. to anoint the most holy (He, Jesus Christ is not their king yet). None of the six tasks have been completed by Israel or Jerusalem, therefore the 70th week has not begun and not yet finished. In Christ Montana Marv I think you have totally minunderstood the prophecy because you are basing your views on a dispensational one, and a pre-trib rapture, and neither you or anyone else has given a biblical justification for the long gap between the completion of the 69 weeks to the 70th week. Notice what Daniel says will be accomplished in the 70 weeks or 490 years... Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seqal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 1. to finish the transgression. This means the sins of Judah (Daniel's people) were to be complete or filled at the end of the 490 years. After that time, Jerusalem was to be destroyed which occurred at 70 AD by Titus which is also in the prophecy. (vs. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself; and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city (Jerusalem) and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 2. To make an end of sins.ulehathem chataoth to make an end of sin-offerings. This is not about Israel, as you have said above, but Daniel's vision is referring to Messiah, Jesus Christ, which he did when he offered up his sinless body on the cross once and for all, bringing an end to the sacrificial offerings in the temple forever. "But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin" Hebrews 10:12, 18 3. To make reconciliation for iniquity. ulechapper to make atonement or expiation for iniquity. (Again, you are referring to Israel but Daniel is prophecizing about Israel's Messiah and the scripture is about the Messiah Yeshua.)Which Jesus did by the offering up of himself once and for all. Jesus Christ is the ultimate Atonement for our sins. "And he is the propiatiation for our sins: (Strong's #G2434 'hil as mos' atonement, that is (concretely) an expiator: propiatiation) and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world." 1 John 2:2 4. To bring in everlasting righteousness. Israel is not the one to bring in everlasting righteousness; Again, Daniel is speaking of Messiah . The entire NT speaks of the righteousness of our Saviour Jesus Christ. 5. To seal up the vision and prophecy. The vision, meaning this period of 490 years. Young's literal translation has "to seal up"[ to bring to an end or to complete the vision and prophet.] The vision and the prophet are to come to an end by the time this prophetic period closes. 6. To annoint the most Holy. The Hebrew phrase here is "kodesh kodashim" "the Holy of Holies", which is mentioned a multitude of times in the OT, referring to the sanctuary or a connection to the sanctuary being annointed. When you research the references of sanctuary as it pertains to annointments throughout the OT, the only thing it can mean is the Temple of God in Heaven. Isaiah 6:1-4--....."I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up and his train filled the temple..........." Isaiah's vision fits exactly with what John saw in Revelation 4:1-11 Also, inside the Temple in Heaven, you see in Revelation 11:19 "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament; and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings and an earthquake and great hail". All of the six criteria have been completed, thus completing Daniels vision and 70 weeks or 490 years.

The article doesn't talk about moving Christians to other countries, but rather to draw up a plan to stop the violence against Christians in muslim countries. Many Christians have already fled as the article points out and I read awhile ago many went to Jordan from Iraq and Syria.

By Matthew Holehouse, The Telegraph – “Christianity is in danger of becoming extinct in its ancient homelands because of a rising tide of sectarian attacks, a senior minister will warn on Friday. Violence against Christian worshippers and other religious minorities by fanatics has become a ‘global crisis’ and is the gravest challenge facing the world this century, Baroness Warsi will say. ‘A mass exodus is taking place, on a Biblical scale. In some places, there is a real danger that Christianity will become extinct', she will say at a speech at Georgetown University in Washington. In the new year, Lady Warsi, the Minister for Faith who sits in the Cabinet, will host an international summit to draw up a plan to end the violence against Christians, particularly in the countries where the faith was born. More

Wonderful! I think these arrests will lead to multitudes more once the already arrested ones spill the beans on others not yet exposed. Thank you Lord!

Sooner is already here..... Baxter’s H5N1 as global flu pandemic threat There is no excuse. According to the scientific network PROMED, Baxter International Inc. in Austria "unintentionally" contaminated samples with the bird flu virus that were used in laboratories in 3 neighbouring countries, raising concern about the potential spread of the deadly disease". Austria, Germany, Slowenia and the Czech Republic - these are the countries in which labs were hit with dangerous viruses. Not by bioterrorist commandos, but by Baxter. In other words: One of the major global pharmaceutical players seems to have lost control over a virus which is considered by many virologists to be one of the components leading some day to a new pandemic. Was it H5N1, or the even more risky H3N2? And what about the BSL3-Standards Baxter is operating when handling the viruses? What happened? And who failed? by Vlad Georgescu Read More at link

I am aware of kidnapped children being thrown into international sex/drug slave market. The problem with the report you have put up is that it has an endorsement at the end by UNICEF which is a big red flag imo. UNICEF is a UN funded program. The UN is part of the problem when it comes to the trafficking of children in the international sex/drug slave market. I participate in an underground program sponsored by an underground Christian Network who smuggles individuals out which does not advertise for fear of being discovered.

This question and problem hits home with me. I have a family member who is a compulsive junk spender, by junk I mean she throws her money away on things she doesn't need constantly. Consequently, she is always borrowing money from me. I finally realized I was part of the problem by being an enabler by lending her money each time she needed it for real needs, like gas to get to and from work, and pay normal living expenses and abruptly stopped lending her money. I am very happy about this decision, and she doesn't come around anymore to borrow money.

IDF Blog A Palestinian terrorist stabbed and killed an IDF soldier at the Central Bus Station in the northern city of Afula Wednesday. The soldier was Pvt. Eden Atias, from the Israeli city of Nazareth Illit. “Congratulations to the Palestinian West Bank hero who killed an Israeli soldier in Afula this morning,” Hamas spokesman Fawzy Barhoom wrote on his Facebook page. More at link above

I have read and heard Pre-trib rapture teachers and followers proclaim while they are having a big wedding party after they have been raptured outa here, Israel is being punished during the 70th week, but as you can see from my earlier post (I hope), Israel's transgressions have already been atoned for ending the 70th week theory. Nikki this makes sense to me (for the first time), thanks for that. I've believed that the church was in this 'gap' grace period of the 70 weeks, but it never quite made sense to me, its...illogical, to me. However, I still believe that Dan 9:24 is yet to be fulfilled (in greater completion). But the fact that Israel will still be punished during the last week does not compute. If we, as (pre-trib/pre-wrath) believers, believe that we will be spared this wrath, why then would the last generation of Jews be left holding the ball to receive the wrath? I'm basically just thinking out loud here - thanks Nikki for putting that in terms that compute. That's just it according to the prophecy, Israel has answered for all of their (past) transgressions after the 490 years or 70 weeks had passed. Care to share what it is about Daniel 9:24 that you don't think is fulfilled completely? Recent evangelical teaching pushes the idea that there is a long gap (theory) but what is the justification for this theory? Why are we not to take the whole of the 70 weeks as one consecutive event after another? Since there is no gap between the first seven weeks and the following sixty-two weeks, (the first and second divisions of the total period) it comes as a doubtful idea to find this extraordinarily log gap to exist between the second and third division. This length gap completely breaks the natural continuity of the prophecy. It has long been established that the period of 490 years was a period prophesied that continued uninterrupted from its start to completion. How can anyone imagine there is an interval between the sixty-nine and the one (week) when these two together make up the seventy? This Messianic consecutive interpretation of Daniel 9 has been eclipsed almost completely in historical-critical scholarship. Some of the representative voices among exegetes of the last 150 years are E.W. Hengstenberg, J.N. Andrews, E.B. Pusey, J. Raska, J. Hontheim, Boutflower and O. Gerhardt. Another commentary over the last 150 years, P. Mauro, has shown that there is ‘an absolute rule, admitting of no exceptions, that when a definite measure of time or space is specified by the number of units composing it, within which a certain event is to happen, or a certain thing is to be found, the units of time or space which make up that measure are to be understood as running continuously and successfully. This is based on the observation that the 430 years of Genesis 15:13, Exodus 12:20, Galatians 3;17; the 40 years of the wilderness wandering of Numbers 14:34; and the seven years of plenty and of famine of Genesis 45:6 were respectively consecutive years. The three days after which Jesus was to arise were also consecutive. Since these time periods were consecutive, the natural thing would be to expect the 70 weeks of Daniel 9:24-27 likewise to be 70 consecutive weeks” (F. Holbrooke, pp.22-23, emphasis added).

By Theodore Shoebat …Not a campus crusade, but a true crusade, in which the saints carry their cross to fight with the forces of darkness. Christians in the Middle East have for a long time been accustomed to staying away from the fray with Muslims. This has come as a result of both comfort and suppression, but the persecution against the saints has reached an intensity almost unheard of in our times, and the apex of this oppression is at hand. With this diabolical torment and violence becoming more fierce and cruel, Christians are now being confronted with the choice to fight or die. Many of the saints have taken up their cross and decided that to die is to live, and as Christ picked up the Holy Cross to defeat the devil, these true crusaders have picked up guns to vanquish the Muslim devils who seek their destruction. Read More W/ News Videos

firestormx I have read and heard Pre-trib rapture teachers and followers proclaim while they are having a big wedding party after they have been raptured outa here, Israel is being punished during the 70th week, but as you can see from my earlier post (I hope), Israel's transgressions have already been atoned for ending the 70th week theory.

firestormx: As I said earlier, "I think it is important that you and everyone else here understand that there are three views regarding Daniel's 70th week where Daniel writes about the confirming the covenant. The three views about the 70th week are it is already fulfilled, partially fulfilled or not yet fulfilled." You are basing your opinions as fact that Daniel's 70th week is not over. I am of the opinion that it is completed and I will biblically show you what I base my opinion on: With regard to the scripture Daniel 9:24 “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy." “ Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. “ And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. “ And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.” (Daniel 9:24-27). Daniel 9:24 tells what will happen in the time period of 70 weeks. The prophecy was given to Daniel as he was praying and it was nearing the end of Jeremiah's prophecy of the 70 year captivity. Daniel was praying for guidance and mercy for his people Judah as they were about to go back to the promised land to reestablish themselves---Daniel 9:1-19. See Jeremiah 29:10.---> "For thus saith the LORD, That after 70 years accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place". Mathematically, this amounts to seventy periods of seven years equal to 490 years to complete Daniel 9:24-27 which is " to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to annoint the most Holy." This prophecy has already been accomplished. The Jews cups of iniquity has already been fulfilled. The sins of Judah were complete, according to the prophecy, at the end of the 490 years. The angel Gabriel told Daniel that for all that he prayed for to be accomplished it would be "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people." That is to say, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin and sin offering, which Christ did on the cross once and for all ending sacrificial offerings in the temple, to make reconciliation for iniquity which Jesus did because He was the ultimate atonement for sin for not only Daniel's people but for the entire world, to bring in everlasting righteousness which we know is completed in Jesus Christ, God's Son. And to seal up the vision and prophecy (until the time of the end) (which we're in)--- the vision covers a 490 year time frame, at which time it came to an end.

I said birth pains for a specific reason. It was because of the horror of the holocaust that the Nation of Israel come back into existence. That was the vehicle that God decided to use. The bible says in Matthew 24 near the end of the chapter, Jesus is talking about a metaphor of a fig tree when it's tender and young. He uses the fig tree as something to look for as a sign the end is at hand. In fact, he says that those who see this, that generation will not pass away until all be fulfilled. The fig tree used in a parable or metaphor in the bible always means Israel, always. The meaning of those verse are clear and almost universally looked upon as a prophecy that when Israel became a nation and was still a young nation. The generation that saw it would not pass away. Why did I say all this? Just to say this the delivery of the baby is the consummation of the end. The first birth pains are the first sign the end is truly near. With the role the holocaust had in the rebirth of the Nation of Israel, I think it is fair to say birth pains. I am aware of the fig tree being Israel. I really don't see how you can compare birth pains (where is that in the Bible?) with the Holocaust, no matter what Jesus said about the fig tree (Israel) budding. To me, it just doesn't fit. The Jewish Holocaust was such a horrible time in the history of the Jews and the world, a time that can only be distinguished as a separate event (and not associated with "birth pains"). I think God's prophet Jeremiah got it right prophesizing the Holocaust through Chapter 30 I believe this was Jacob's trouble that so called Christian Bible scholars attempt to associate with a future punishment upon Israel after Christians are gone in "the rapture," even though the Bible does not in any way infer this. God will continue to chastise and refine Israel while back in their homeland, just as He is refining and chastising His true church; but I don't see a separate punishment for Israel as some preach and teach once they are now back in their land. In fact, it's the Gentile nations of the world who will endure God's wrath and punishment at the very end while God saves and fights for Israel. See Zachariah Ch. 12 I also believe it is much later than most think.

I do not consider the Holocaust a part of birth pains because the scripture says "How awful that day will be! None will be like it. It will be a time of trouble for Jacob, (Israel) but he will be saved out of it." Jeremiah 30:5-7 KJV reads "Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's (Israel's) trouble; but he shall be saved out of it"

The Holocaust Prophesied By Bob Westbrook and Stan Goodenough The Holocaust is an unprecendent and unspeakable event for the Jewish people and all of human history. This was the final episode among many episodes of persecution for the Jewish people while exiled from their land, dispersed among the nations. Now, they have their own homeland where they do not have to be subjected to the cruel whims of the nations in which they lived. "Surely the Lord GOD does nothing unless He reveals His secret counsel To His servants the prophets." Amos 3:7 NASB. If every significant event in the history of the Jews has been declared in advance in the Bible, are there not Bible prophecies which describe these events? Should we not expect to find in the Bible predictions of the holocaust, and the subsequent founding of the state? Yes. In Jeremiah 30, we find prophecies that describe the horrors of the holocaust, and the subsequent restoration of the Jewish people to their own land that allows them to be free from oppression in foreign lands. God begins with one of His frequent declarations regarding the restoration of Israel to the land that was promised "'The days are coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will bring my people Israel and Judah back from captivity and restore them to the land I gave their forefathers to possess,' says the LORD." .(Jeremiah 30:3 NIV) That is a straightforward statement, easy to comprehend. We understand it to be speaking of the founding of the modern state of Israel in 1948. But the next verse conveys an abrupt change in tone, and may seem to not fit very well at first. However, now that we have the perspective of understanding the circumstances that surrounded the founding of Israel, we know to what it is referring. "This is what the LORD says: "'Cries of fear are heard-- terror, not peace. Ask and see: Can a man bear children? Then why do I see every strong man with his hands on his stomach like a woman in labor, every face turned deathly pale? How awful that day will be! None will be like it. It will be a time of trouble for Jacob, but he will be saved out of it." (Jeremiah 30:5-7 NIV) Read more

I think it is important that you and everyone else here understand that there are three views regarding Daniel's 70th week where Daniel writes about the confirming the covenant. The three views about the 70th week are it is already fulfilled, partially fulfilled or not yet fulfilled.

I stumbled upon this article by accident and it does seem very odd to me. I'm no science geek except for maybe when it comes to chemistry, but since both poles are at the same polarity, I wonder and would like to know what will occur when this happens? I am aware from various space weather sites that this was supposed to be the most active sunspot cycle in memory. The fact that it's been quiet with such a long delay in its reversal is, well, eerie to me. If anything, the article disproves man-made global warming theory as the article speaks about this may mean the sun will start giving off less energy and light over the next cycle so as to provide relief from global warming. I don't hear any MSN media mentioning this.

Turkey and the Muslim Brotherhood are looking to end the war in Syria with the goal of forming an Islamist super-bloc with Iran and Hezbollah. By Ryan Mauro Wed, November 6, 2013 A monumental strategic shift is taking place in the Middle East as an Islamist super-bloc is forming. Turkey and the Muslim Brotherhood are making up with Iran and Hezbollah. Egypt and the Gulf states are forming their own alliance. The U.S. outreach to Iran and the Brotherhood has left it missing from the equation. The Syrian civil war has pitted the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood and Turkey against Iran, Hezbollah, Iraq and the Syrian regime since 2011. Now, with a bloody stalemate resulting in consequences each side fears, the two sides are looking for ways to make amends. Read More

Long before a nuclear deal was in reach, the U.S. was quietly lifting some of the financial pressure on Iran, a Daily Beast investigation reveals. How the sanctions were softened. Read More It's no secret that Valerie Jarret was born in Iran and dictates policy in the White House, and has an Iranian parent. It's also no secret that Hillary Clinton's right hand woman while she was Sec. of State is Huma Adedin, a muslim related to Muslim Brotherhood leaders. It's also no secret that the CIA is now lead by a muslim. I don't think this is all a coincidence. There is lot's more. The Obama Admin is in the tank with and for radical Islamists.

The point behind this is that they have to pay for your pre-existing condition which is why, in part, the premiums and deductibles are going through the roof. If you have an advanced stage of cancer that is going to cost tens of thousands in treatments, they have to cover you know under the ACA. That means that all of these people with high dollar treatments that didn't have insurance before will have to be covered and the cost is passed on to the rest of us. In my experience as an RN, doctor's do not usually treat advanced or terminally ill cancer patients aggressively with thousands of treatments. These types of patients are usually put into a Hospice program, where they are given comfort, pain relieving care only, which as compared with aggressive care, is relatively inexpensive.