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True. That's like saying we should do away with laws against murder, rape, and theft because, even though we have laws against them, those crimes will not stop. If I had a choice to vote between a good pro-choicer and a bad pro-lifer, I'll just sit that election out. nobody is questioning that fact that if RvW was done away with that the number of abortions would go down. My point is that nobody in power for either party really wants to get rid of it. Exactly!!! Nobody in power wants to get rid of abortion, therefore regardless of whom you vote for, your voting in people who come from the same barrel ofapples as the other party. Politics is controlled by Satan, the god of this world(2nd Corinthians4:4), the prince and power of the air who works in the children of disobedience(Ephesians2:2). Unless these parties were overthrown, and a government with integrity came into power, abortion will always be around. Nothing we can do about it, execpt..... for us to do what God has called us to do and teach people the way of righteousness, and truth. Alcohol was illegal years ago, all that did was create an underground market just like there is for illicit drgus. making illicit drugs doesn't stop people from getting high. The only thing we can do is get people to think about what they are doing. If people can see the real way to fill the void rather than drinking, drugs and other gratifications of the flesh, then they may turn to that. But unless they make the decision to stop doing what they are doing, passing laws isn;t going to change anything. Are you saying we have no need for laws because people will just break them? Some of you really know how to put words in people's mouth eh? Did I ever say that? When it comes to abortion, I see christian protest, and spend so much time screaming for anti-abortion laws, plus they talk about who to vote for due to a candidate's stance on abortion, when in reality all these candidates are going to do the same thing. Bush said he would make abortion illegal, but did he? Abortion will "never" be illegal. Just like alcohol will never be illegal and they are even vying to make marijuana legal. the point being is... well, instead of debating about which rat pack to vote for, get to the source of the problem over issues that your against. Instead ofhacking away at the branches, get to the root. So many people hack at the branches of evil and things they are against, but very few people ever get to the root. Jesus didn't just talk and speak about things, He took action and did something. It's time for the church to operate in their callings and reach the people, instead of spending all this time talking about what they see wrong. Well.. precisely how do you "get to the root" - If you have a plan - put it into your words. Please. Show us the steps of exactly and precisely what you mean by 'getting to the source'. I'm interested to know why you do not feel that the practice of abortion will not be banned, too. When it comes to abortion, what causes people to be in that predicament? Why do many kids go out and get pregnant? What's missing in their lives that they turn to sex(sex being a gratification of the flesh)? What can be done to educate these youth the consequences of premarital sex?

Abundant means more than enough, plentiful. In all ways God desres for us to prosper and have abundance. That doesn't mean we are to seek after riches for we are to seek after the Kingdom of God and it's rightreousness, but we can overcome poverty, lack, and be victorious in our circumstances. Daniel had victory after he went to the lion's den. Living abundantly would inculde our mental health. Jesus came to set the catpives free and heal the broken hearted(Luke4:18). He doesn't want us bound in any way. Living abundantly would liberate our thought life.

True. That's like saying we should do away with laws against murder, rape, and theft because, even though we have laws against them, those crimes will not stop. If I had a choice to vote between a good pro-choicer and a bad pro-lifer, I'll just sit that election out. nobody is questioning that fact that if RvW was done away with that the number of abortions would go down. My point is that nobody in power for either party really wants to get rid of it. Exactly!!! Nobody in power wants to get rid of abortion, therefore regardless of whom you vote for, your voting in people who come from the same barrel ofapples as the other party. Politics is controlled by Satan, the god of this world(2nd Corinthians4:4), the prince and power of the air who works in the children of disobedience(Ephesians2:2). Unless these parties were overthrown, and a government with integrity came into power, abortion will always be around. Nothing we can do about it, execpt..... for us to do what God has called us to do and teach people the way of righteousness, and truth. Alcohol was illegal years ago, all that did was create an underground market just like there is for illicit drgus. making illicit drugs doesn't stop people from getting high. The only thing we can do is get people to think about what they are doing. If people can see the real way to fill the void rather than drinking, drugs and other gratifications of the flesh, then they may turn to that. But unless they make the decision to stop doing what they are doing, passing laws isn;t going to change anything. Are you saying we have no need for laws because people will just break them? Some of you really know how to put words in people's mouth eh? Did I ever say that? When it comes to abortion, I see christian protest, and spend so much time screaming for anti-abortion laws, plus they talk about who to vote for due to a candidate's stance on abortion, when in reality all these candidates are going to do the same thing. Bush said he would make abortion illegal, but did he? Abortion will "never" be illegal. Just like alcohol will never be illegal and they are even vying to make marijuana legal. the point being is... well, instead of debating about which rat pack to vote for, get to the source of the problem over issues that your against. Instead ofhacking away at the branches, get to the root. So many people hack at the branches of evil and things they are against, but very few people ever get to the root. Jesus didn't just talk and speak about things, He took action and did something. It's time for the church to operate in their callings and reach the people, instead of spending all this time talking about what they see wrong.

True. That's like saying we should do away with laws against murder, rape, and theft because, even though we have laws against them, those crimes will not stop. If I had a choice to vote between a good pro-choicer and a bad pro-lifer, I'll just sit that election out. nobody is questioning that fact that if RvW was done away with that the number of abortions would go down. My point is that nobody in power for either party really wants to get rid of it. Exactly!!! Nobody in power wants to get rid of abortion, therefore regardless of whom you vote for, your voting in people who come from the same barrel ofapples as the other party. Politics is controlled by Satan, the god of this world(2nd Corinthians4:4), the prince and power of the air who works in the children of disobedience(Ephesians2:2). Unless these parties were overthrown, and a government with integrity came into power, abortion will always be around. Nothing we can do about it, execpt..... for us to do what God has called us to do and teach people the way of righteousness, and truth. Alcohol was illegal years ago, all that did was create an underground market just like there is for illicit drgus. making illicit drugs doesn't stop people from getting high. The only thing we can do is get people to think about what they are doing. If people can see the real way to fill the void rather than drinking, drugs and other gratifications of the flesh, then they may turn to that. But unless they make the decision to stop doing what they are doing, passing laws isn;t going to change anything.

ya know, when people say this, it drives me crazy! theft is against the law and is basically "done underground." why do we have laws against it since it doesn't stop it? same with tax evasion. or assault. or murder (of someone already born, anyway) we have laws against them so that less people participate in these activities--not because anyone believes it will totally stop the crime from taking place. why does abortion seem to be different? yes, abortion is not the heart of the matter. but saying abortions would still take place even if illegal is just senseless. it would make them happen less often and therefore would save lives. do not those lives count for anything? I just said that protesting abortion and striving to make it ilegal doesn't eradicate the problem. If that drives you crazy, oh well. I speak my mind regardless of what other people think.

The only way to solve the abortion problem is the deal with the root issues. Why are people getting themselves into that mess in the first place? You can hack away at the branches of the problem, but it's only when you get to the root, that it does any good. I see many christians protest abortion, but it does no good. They spend hours standing with protest sign when it doesn't change a thing. Even if abortion became illegal, it wouldn't stop abortions from taking place. It would just be done underground.

People don't understand what's really going on in government, and they don't understand the hidden agenda that government has. Regardless of whether the democrats and republicans are elected, they will all allow abortion. People blame the puppets(the elected politicans) rather than the real source of the problem. Care to share what the real problem is? I am refering to the Illuminati and new world order agenda, but I won't elaborate here because I have been told before that I am not allowed to post that on here.

People don't understand what's really going on in government, and they don't understand the hidden agenda that government has. Regardless of whether the democrats and republicans are elected, they will all allow abortion. People blame the puppets(the elected politicans) rather than the real source of the problem.

Idolatry is when someone has excessive devotion or infatuation towards something or someone. It is okay to enjoy sports, but many let it become such a high priority it becomes an idol.

You sure got that right!

I have learned not to put any trust or confidence in anyone but God Himself. People can and will let you down. Just because they are ministers, don't make them exempt for that. People need to stop putting trust in people. Because they trust in people, they get disapointment.

It's wrong what these type of ministers are doing, to go out and sell prophecies and charge people money to be ministered to, but "WE" as the people of God, don't have to let ourselves get ripped off. Many times people are not trusting God and looking to prophets for answers and blessings. God is "your" source, therefore, don't depend on anyone reagrdless of what anointing they claim to have. The body of Christ needs to leanr how to pray with power and authority in Jesus Name. Jesus is your healer and deliverer. Nobody else is. So why do many christians run to some prphet and minister or pastor for healing? It's because they ar edepnding on people to get them healed or for blessings.

Satan will attack "anyone" who is serious about God. Younger christians are more vulnerable because usually their knowledge about spiritual warfare against demonic powers is limited. They don't know how to deal with their adversary.

Don't depend on a pastor all the time because a pastor cannot always be there. Besides, many in the body of Christ, and even some pastors don't believe in spiritual warfare or deliverance from demonic attack. THey think these things are just the flesh or just something you need to learn to deal with. I don't know where your pastor stands ont he issue, but if he doesn't believe that tis is demonic, he cannot help you. You caould say "Satan I bind you and your activities to hinder me bible study in Jesus name I command you to loose your grip on my mind in Jesus Name. Every demon spirit with assignemnt against my personal growth in Christ, flee in Jesus Name. Lord I ask you to cover me with a hedge of protection and empower me to learn Your Word. Protect me from the distracions in the mind in Jesus Name.

I cannot concentrate on scriptures. I get frustrated and irritable. I am having problems with prayer and becoming distracted in my studies. I feel tearful and agitated. This all started after I made a decision in my life to walk more righteously. That is why I think it is the devil himself. I don't think he likes my new walk. Forget about the word "think." You've just hit the nail on the head. Satan "hates" you being serious about God and to walk righteously. You are a "major threat" to his kingdom, so he will strive to dstract you from learning and from prayer. 1st Peter5:8 mentions how the adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. Satan seeks to devour your prayer life and bible study so that you will not be as strong in the Lord as you should become.

Take authority over the enemy in the Name of Jesus. Comand the enemy to flee and loose his grip on you in Jesus Name. Call upon the Lord to empower you to learn from studying.

Jesus mentioned of people who worship Him with their lips, but their hearts are from Him.(Mark7:6,7). Those people He was speaking to, he called them "hypocrites." That is because they claim to be of God, but are not of God. Just as those people existed back in biblical times, they are here today as well. They may know the scriptures, but they don't know God. They may have lots of head knowledge, but they have no heart knowledge. The same people who had Peter and John beaten and whipped in Acts chapter 4, were religious folks. They opposed the apostles preaching the gospel and operating under the anointing of the Holy Spirit. You can expect the same from those type of people today. About the tares, there are a lot of people who claim to love God, but in works deny Him. Titus 1:16 mentions of those type of people. They are tares because they are not right with God. Those who Jesus referd to as the "wheat" are people who truly honor God with their actions. Actions speak louder than words.

God is the same today, yesterday and forever. He operated supernaturally through beleivers then, He still does today. The problem is, many churches don't believe in that, therefore they don't operate in the gifts because they don't accept that it's still around. The apostles did exploits for God, and God wants His people to do that today. Jesus said in John14:12 that greater works shall we do. Many churches think it was just for that time, but God is the same yesterday, today and forever.

Oh, it's not the blatant satanists and wiccans that are the problem, it's the hidden ones. 2nd Corinthians11:13-15 does mention how they are deceitful workers, false apostles who transform themselves into ministers of righteousness. Blatant opposers to the gospel don't transform themselves into anything. They are straight out about who they say they are.

First of all, what does denominations have to do witht his topic? Satanists infiltrate churches of all denominations. Concerning these occult workers who disuise themswelves as christians, there is nothing judgemental about it. Jesus said it in Matthew7:16 "By their fruits shall you know them." Even though satanic agents can play church and make themselves out to be christians, if you discern, and know what is going on, you can see their deceptive work. They fear christians walking in turth. The apostle John mentions in 3rd John vs. 3,4 how it is a great joy to see the brethren walking in truth. Satan himself is terrified of the church walking in truth. If the church is full or worldliness, then they are not a real threat to Satan's kingdom. See James4:4, Titus2:12, and 1st John2:15,16 as to what God's Word says about worldliness. Satan has worked hard to get the church to be worldly. Satanic infiltrators have been known to cause strife with believers. Some believers foolishly fall for the bait hook line and sinker. Since these satanists know how to act and what to say, they are good and stirring up tension and accusations. They often lure other beleivers into fighting each other knowing that many christians don't respond by the Spirit of God, they just spew out words when someone speaks what they agree with or don't desire to hear.

They don't run out of things to say. They know how to "act" better than many christians. Christians should be opeating in the Sirit of God, although many times they post stuff without allowing the Spirit to work through them. These infiltrators use spirit guides(the counterfeit of the Holy Spirit) to help them post stategically. They know what to say an when to say it. They "actually" know the acriptures better than some christians that I have come across online. Since they know how to act, they make themselves out to be well like people and mingle good with the others. Many don't discern who they are, and don't even believe that they are here, which opens the door for them to post deception. The bible telsl us to know who labors amongst us. Just because someone calls themself a christians and even talks a good story about church life, doesn't mean they are of God.

The adversary doesn't have power over true christians, however, he can deceive. Revelation12:9 does mention that Satan deceiveth the whole world while 2nd Corinthians11:14 mentions how Satan disguises himself as angel of light. Deception has done a lot of damage to ministry. This is why we need to know the truth, and we need to know the tactics of the enemy. 2nd Corinthians2:11 says to not be ignorant of Satan's devices lest he'd get an advantage over you. That's correct, don't be ignorant of what's going on in any christians message board forum.

Yes as long as christians know the Word. But reality is, many christians don't know the Word very well. They are easy bait.

If you are discerning and know what is going on, you can spot an infiltrator. They often have avatars with occult images and sometimes have user names that pertain to something in the occult. They may have something occultic and ungodly on their signatures(although often needs discernment because they are very subtle and careful as to what they put there). They will stand for occult stuff that seems harmless and inocent to persuade christians to accept it. Ungodly music, Hallowe'en, movies, TV shows and video games that have occult themes, RPG's, and books. They often resort to the "OLD LOVE DOCTRINE." When true christians come on and stand for the truth, they accuse them of having no love, of being judgemental, self righteous, holier-than-thou, they are refered to as fanatics, legalists, and even have been called "nazi's" for speaking the truth without compromise. These satanists know very well that these type of chrsitians are a danger to the occult kingdom so they use these accusations and insults to try and discourage christians from speaking the truth and to get people to rise up against them. And it often works as christians who are lukewarm often stand up for these infiltrators. These infiltrators often use personal attacks and insults to retaliate against true christians who expose the devils' deeds. They ar every careful about how they launch their attacks because they don't want to have TOS vilations against them. They depend on christians not dicscerning who they are and they depend on christians not operating in the truth. Unfortunately that is reality about many christians online. They don't adhere to truth, they are spiritually asleep and don't discern good from evil(as Hebrews5:14 tells us we need to do). The fact that they us epersonal attacks and malice is pure hypocrasy because they ar ethe ones who cry the old love doctrine when genuine, non-compromising christians stand up for truth. They cry intolerance when they are purely intolerant towards us who speak for truth. These infiltrators are good to people who are not a threat to Satan's kingdom and sadly, that is so with some christians. Some of the ocucltists who work christian forums know scripture well. They know how to twist scripture around, they know how to use scripture to their advantage. They know how to argue with scripture or accuse those they want to accuse. They use the help of spirit guides. Spirit guides are counterfeit to the Holy Spirit. If we don't take this seriously, we are only allowing it to go on. If we back down from speaking the truth is fear of persecution(on behalf of the satanic agents and the lukewarm christians), we are allowing false doctrines and the conditioning towards sinful lifestyles to go on. Satanic agents come in here to desensitize christians to ungodliness and evil. We cannot sit back and allow them to devour our forums.

Christian message board forums have the potential for ministry. Even if not unbelievers, to each other in building each other up and for christians to grow more in the Word of God. If the church was living by the truth, knew who they were in Jesus, were praying and engaging in spiritual warfare, they would be a real terror to the kingdom of hell. Satan doesn't just sit back and tolerate the church beign a threat to hsi kingdom, he fights against christianity tooth and nail. Since satan doesn't have power over christians who walk in that authority in Jesus Name, Satan has to.... well he has to fight against christianity from within. That is to.... to get the church to be lukewamr and apostate, so that they are not theat to his kingdom. 2nd Timothy3:5 mentions of people who have a form of godliness but deny the power thereof. Jesus also mentions that he would spit the Laodacean church out of His mouth(Revelation3:14-16). The apostles were full of power and anointing and did exploits for God. They spoke the truth without compromise as well That is what we need in the church. People who will speak without compromise and do exploits for God being used of him to impact society. 2nd Corinthians11:13-15 and Jude vs 4 mentions of this problem going on in the church. 2nd Corinthians11:13-15 "For such as false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. No marvel: for Satan himself transforms as an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works." We are told in 2nd Corinthians11:13-15 that they are "FALSE APOSTLES." They are also "DECEITFUL WORKERS." They "TRANSFORM THEMSELVES" into ministers of righteousness. In other words, they know how to make themselves lok like they are God's people. Jude vs 4 "For there are certain men crept in unaware, who were before of old, ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of god into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord Jesus Christ." They come in unaware. People don't recognize it. But thes eungdoly occult workers, satanists, subtly do things and post things online that deny the Lord Jesus Christ. They do things to make evil look good and good look evil. I will continue on that in my next post.