HitmanR2

AMEN!

Ok... I don't know. Given Peter's direct comment, and sequential quote of the passage=prophecy fulfilled. I go with the simplest answer, Peter said it was what Joel was speaking of, and I'll go with that. Given that, I would say the afterward spoken of; was after they were empowered by the Holy Spirit.

I tend to disagree, [i think] this prophecy is past. For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

Oh I've been called heretic for saying that "yom" doesn't always mean a 24-hour day from people who think the world is about 7 thousands years old If God is "without age", it only stands to reason that some of his creations could be very old.

In studying this passage I have found this quote concerning this part of the story: Some have said that, in providing the ram as a substitute for Isaac,

Only adding to the above sentiment... AMEN!

I am convinced, as others here are, that the "rock" upon which Christ would build His church; was the revelation given to Peter: "that Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God." We need look no further than the day of pentecost as Peter (the rock) stood upon The Rock of that very same revelation:

Couldn't agree more on that. Count me in for a thumbs up on that one also!

When Yeshua fulfilled the law He rightly interpreted it, this is how it was explained to me by a few Jewish brethern and when it says abolish means the law or scriptures they are not being correctly interpreted. Even if our Jewish brethern do not believe in the Messiah I have known more that properly interpret the scriptures than many christians, I have learned more about scriptures and such by some Jewish folks than I have from some christian teachers. And of course the Messianic Jew has a whole lot to bring to the understanding of scriptures. As long as one goes into a study with open eyes and ears theres no reason not to look into rabbinical commentaries and or Targums I have found clarity in some of those teachings.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it... And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, This was He of whom I said, He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me. And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. John 1:1-4 & 14-18 NKJV Since this topic may have turned to the "oneness" of God. And I will admit the plurality of the Godhead is often difficult to understand, and near impossible to explain. I will ONLY attempt to make a person think. Given the above verses, "how can ONE be both with God and God? The WORD [Jesus Christ] was both with God, and God, and not simply in title but also in action, as we find their places in the act of creation. God spoke (the Genesis account), and the WORD [Jesus Christ] acted (John's account). Many say that Jesus never claimed to be God, but that is not so: My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Fathers hand. I and My Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. John 10:29-31 NKJV Jesus' claim that He and the Father are one? How can this be? We know of his claim to be the Son of God, but now he claims equality with God. The Son and the Father are one. The Jews understood this claim and would have killed Him right there for it. Also, in Isaiah 7:14 we are told that a virgin shall bear a son and his name shall be Immanuel, which is literally God-with-us. And yes, I know this post does not even touch on the Holy Spirit, but I do not attempt to explain, only to make a person think. I would encourage all to (and I know you do) to study and think, and convince yourselves, then your faith will be stronger.

Good point. Sometimes this is hard to understand (it requires great faith, and greater understanding). Or at least for me!

I agree.

Wouldn't the latter part of verse 30 be considered prophecy? Isn't glorification a coming process? Yes glorification could be a coming process, but I just noticed that there are quite a few words in verse 30 that are in the past tense. Which maybe God is telling us everything is preplanned, which I think most of us already knew. I agree. God has THE plan!

Wouldn't the latter part of verse 30 be considered prophecy? Isn't glorification a coming process?