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Are you referring to Netanyahu (if I recall you position correctly) ? If so, Netanyahu, was born in Tel Aviv. And what is your basis that the false prophet arrives in Israel about a year from now ?

You are taking verses from Luke 21 that were fulfilled in 70 ad and you are errantly placing them in the end times. Luke 21:5-24 is about the time the temple was destroyed by the Romans. 5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said, 6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

Marv, if you are talking about the army in Revelation 9, that army kills a third of mankind. I agree it is the armies coming from the east, primarily the Chinese army. But you are leaving out a few steps. In Daniel 11:40-44 the beast-king (king of the west) is being attacked by the south, then north, then east. The 200,000,000 size army will kill a third of mankind, mainly in the Pakistan, India region because those nations will be allied with the king of the west, apparently. Those battles are not themselves Armageddon (which Armageddon is to make war on Jesus) - but a prelude to get all of the nations and their armies into the middle east area. While they are battling - that's when the sign of the Son of Man appears in heaven, sickle in hand. That will panic all of kings of the earth, and they will stop fighting each other and will band together for Armageddon. Although Armageddon is the chief gathering place, from what it says in Revelation 14:20, the destruction of those armies is 1600 furlongs (a furlong is 1/8 of a mile - so 200 miles), the north to south length of Israel. Revelation 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Well, I would say the mid-point is day 1260. day 1185 (2520-1335) is mid-week, but not the midpoint. From when the abomination of desolation is setup, 1335 days later is the day that Jesus returns. From when the abomination of desolation is setup, 1290 days later is when the world sees the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. Which puts the kings of the earth into a panic mode that they spend 45 days assembling their armies at Armageddon to make war of Jesus. AoD........1290 days......sign of the Son of Man in heaven...........45 days........Jesus descends to earth.

Why are you placing the blessing at the beginning of the 1335 days, when the text says at the end of the 1335 days ? Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

The bible does not say that Christians are killed and imprisoned during the 1260 days of the two witnesses. That is your claim, but you can't back it up. Matthew 10:23 is talking about the disciples spreading the gospel through Israel, and before they have completed that task, Jesus will have come into his kingdom. i.e. ascended to heaven, to receive his everlasting eternal kingdom in Daniel 7:13-14.

Those verses are not specific to the 1260 days of the two witnesses. You are claiming Christians will be killed and imprisioned in Israel during that specific time-frame.

Based on what ?

The 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 are the 1260 days of Revelation 11:3. The woman came out of the nations in May 14, 1948, to the place prepared for her - the land of Israel, where she is now. The woman is in the land of Israel, but when Revelation 12:6 begins, she is in a spiritual wilderness for believing that the Antichrist is her King of Israel messiah. The two witnesses though are feeding her the word of God, telling her that the Antichrist is not the real messiah, but Jesus is, during that 1260 days. In Revelation 12:10 after the war in the second heaven in verses 7-9 and Satan cast down to earth, the woman Israel, the Jews, turn to Jesus in Revelation 12:10.

Dennis, the "they" are the two witnesses, who will feed them the word of God, during their 1260 testimony time in Jerusalem.

Only if you interpret midweek as being midpoint. 1335 days to the the last day of the 70th week, is still midweek, but not mid point.

It won't work, if you source from the NT. The answer to the question of what the Jews of Daniel's generation would have thought is the covenant to be confirmed for 7 years is the Mt. Sinai covenant. Their rationale would be that Daniel had prayed regarding that covenant and the Jews of that generation knew about Deuteronomy 31:9-13 which has the for 7 years in it, and pertains to the Mt. Sinai covenant. ------------------------------- So the next question is, what would have that generation of Daniel, would have thought about when Daniel in verse 21 first had an enounter with Gabriel ? 21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.

Looking at Daniel 9 from the standpoint of the first century implies taking from New Testament timing. And I thought we were not going to take any NT sourcing. I thought we were going to look at Daniel as the Jews would have at the time Daniel was written... instead of fast forwarding into the future. Also, never mind what you think I was taught - because you don't know what I was taught. Again, if you were a Jew living at the time of Daniel, and read what he wrote - at the time of Babylonian captivity, what would be the covenant in Daniel 9:27 to be confirmed for 7 years ? Daniel in the early verses of Daniel 9 had been praying over the Jews breaking the Mt. Sinai covenant. So the Jews would have thought the covenant in Daniel 9:27 to be confirmed for 7 years would be what covenant ? As a Jew back then, from the Tanach, what would you have known about confirming the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years ?

No, verse 32 is about Antiochus IV, and the Maccabees who opposed him. Verses 33-35 are about the church age, Christians, for the passed 2000 years, leading up to the time of the end. The time of the end beast-king is verses 36-45. We are now living in that time of the end period. Soon to take place - Gog/Magog, then the seven years, then Armageddon - and Jesus's return to this earth, accompanied by His saints.

At the time of Daniel 9, the Jews were in Babylonian captivity. The Jews at that time would not have known about the Romans. The Romans were way into the future. Therefore, what is the covenant known to Jews at that time, that they would think is the covenant to be confirmed for 7 years in Daniel 9:27 ?

The king in verse 32 is Antiochus IV. The ones doing exploits are the Maccabees who fought against him. Those are historical (to our time). Differently, the king in verse 36 is time of the end, in the role of being the beast-king, who ultimately will come to his destruction in verse 45, between the seas on the temple mount.

Daniel 11:33-35 is the church age, during which many saints were persecuted and killed, covering a period of the last 2000 years. Verse 35 transitions to the time of end. Verse 36 picks up at the time of the beast-king.

That's is a mistake. "the 1290" for example, implies the number 1290 not the event 1290. "666" is the "number" of the beast's name, as a direct example from the text of the bible. "1290 days" is what is in the bible. 1290 days is a timeframe. Also it does not say "the 1290 days", no the. Because 1290 days in itself is not an event. The event is the setting up of the abomination of desolation. Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. The event is that the two witnesses will prophesy for the timeframe of 1260 days. Read Matthew 24:15-30. There is nothing there regarding the high priest. The abomination of desolation standing (setup) in the holy place. Then 1290 days later the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. Daniel, in his day, was not told about the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. What I wrote was the setting up of the abomination of desolation is the fulcrum point that both the 1290 day timeframe and 1335 day timeframe begin. That is two timeframes, not three. I never wrote that "the 1290 is a fulcrum point". Please speak English. Stop with "the 1290", "the 1335", "the 1260" stuff. Swallow your pride and correct your communications. Which your pride is the only reason you continue as you do.

Charlie, you go ahead and author it.

Chapter 9 includes Messianic prophecies, but contains other prophecies as well, not applying to the messiah. Verses 24-27 includes Messianic prophecies, but includes other prophecies as well, not applying to the messiah. Verse 24 presents a list of things that will be accomplished in the 70 weeks.

Charlie, please start a separate thread and I will discuss with you Daniel 9. If I might suggest a title - Daniel 9 using only the verses in the Tanach (old testament).

Go ahead Charlie, start a thread.

See? The text says "1290 days" not "the 1290" term you created. The abomination of desolation standing in the holy place is the fulcrum point for the beginning of the 1290 days and the 1335 days. Okay, you have your bible open to Matthew 24:15, now start reading. From Matthew 24:15 there are 1290 days until the world seeing the sign of of the Son of Man in heaven. And if you keep reading another 45 days will pass between the sign of the Son of Man in heaven and then all the tribes of the earth see Jesus coming in the clouds with power and great glory. The end of the 1335 days. So, how hard is that to understand ? Your scenario provides no reason, nor time for the kings of the earth to gather their armies together at Armageddon to make war on Jesus. --------------------------------------------------------------- 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. If you contracted someone to build you a house, and he said that it would be finished in 1260 days, do all of the components of the house are completed at the same time ? No, first the foundation is finished, then the floor is finished, then the walls are finished, then the roof finished. All of those finished in 1260 days, but not each component finished at the same time. The 1290 days and the 1335 days represent components of the 7 years. Neither fits totally within 1260 days. The 1290 days is finished when the world sees the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. The 1335 days is finished when Jesus descends down to this earth coming in the clouds with power and great glory.

Copy and paste Daniel 12:11 from the translation you are using. The phrase "the 1290" is not in the bible. "1290" is an adjective to describe the noun "days". Use proper English grammar. "1290 days" "word sausage" ? No one knows what you are talking about. The fulcrum point to the 1290 days and the 1335 days in Daniel 12:11-12 is when the AoD is setup. The AoD setup triggers the great tribulation - Matthew 24:15-21 The great tribulation last 1335 days. During which the trumpet judgements, the woes, the vials of God's wrath, all take place. Jesus returns on his 2nd Coming day and ends the great tribulation. The end point of the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

Speak proper English grammar. Stop with "the 1290" stuff.