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The OP mentions the "Second Coming" and the fire seen below in this future event is very much associated with the OP, we don't want to keep the fire in judgement quiet do we Joe? 1 Corinthians 3:13KJV 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. Luke 17:29-30KJV 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Direct Question? Will the Church be present on earth to see the antichrist revealed? A simple yes/no will suffice, no need for a "Novel" sized response

(Thousand Years) in Revelation chapter 20 shows nothing more than the events described are in the Lord's eternal spiritual, where one day is a thousand years, not literal earthly time as Millennialist claim Revelation 20:1-6 is 100% in the Lord's eternal spiritual, Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ 2 Peter 3:8KJV 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Once Again, my response and claim was the antichrist is to be revealed while the Church is on earth, and how the Church must be warned, your responses have been silent on this warning A pre-trib rapture is deception, as the antichrist and deception will take place while the Church is on this earth

A Messianic Kingdom of 1,000 years on this earth, is found no place in scripture No place in Revelation 20 does it show or teach a literal Kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans present as many claim, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man Millennialist use this fairy tale and the words (Thousand Years) and jump into the old testament and use various claims to present their 1,000 year Kingdom, with all claims being "False" Examples: Ezekiel chapters 40-46 is the 2nd Zerrubabbel temple 536BC "Historical" Ezekiel chapters 47-48 is the eternal kingdom, where the river and tree of life are present Zechariah chapter 14 is the eternal kingdom, where the river of life is present, after the day of the Lord in final fire judgment Isaiah chapters 11 & 65 is the eternal kingdom, in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

Only the "Remnant Elect Jew" will be saved, sealed, and added to the Church on earth, "The Rest Are Blinded" Jesus Is The Lord Romans 11:7-8KJV 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

Only the "Remnant Elect Jew" will be saved, sealed, and added to the Church on earth, "The Rest Are Blinded" Jesus Is The Lord Romans 11:7-8KJV 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

Matthew 24:36KJV 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Joe Jesus returns in the heavens no question, however the complete counsel of scripture teaches the Lord will be revealed in destructive fire in judgement also? Those that teach and believe in a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth, somehow forget to mention the fire seen below at the Lord's "Revealing"? In Love, Jesus Is The Lord Matthew 24:29-30KJV 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 1 Corinthians 3:13KJV 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. Luke 17:29-30KJV 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

(Whatever "You" Do, Do Quickly) "You" a direct personal reference to the poster in response! Your response is sick and morbid in my opinion Jesus Is The Lord

There was no 4th century rapture teaching, the lie stems around a (Pseudo-Ephraem) and a Cameron Rhoades interpretation Rhoades was a teacher at a unaccredited Fort Worth Texas seminary, that is a extension of a church, the size of a residential 2 car parking garage Cameron Rhoades, instructor of Latin at Tyndale Theological Seminary 701 W. Pipeline Rd, Hurst, TX 76053 ACCREDITATION Tyndale Theological Seminary and Biblical Institute is not accredited, and has no plans to pursue any type of accreditation for several particular reasons: (1) to keep our expenses low, enabling Tyndale to maintain its very low tuition rates – pursuit of accreditation would require a dramatic increase in costs passed on to the student; (2) to maintain doctrinal autonomy, and (3) to continue the utilization of Tyndale-educated faculty to ensure theological and philosophical consistency with the doctrinal statement and mission of Tyndale. Pursuit of accreditation would make this increasingly difficult.

My response had to do with warning those within the Church, not making disciples Jesus Is The Lord

Those who believe in a pre-trib rapture will be blind to the antichrist, thinking the pre-trib rapture hasn't taken place, this can't be the antichrist, being deceived "Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means" Jesus Is The Lord

I don't believe you would feel the same if the antichrist was to be revealed in Jerusalem in a few months from now, and you had the ability to "Warn" others, that the church will be on earth to see him revealed "LET No Man Deceive You By Any Means"

The deception in a pre-trib rapture is the church won't be looking for the antichrist, as this false teaching claims the church will be removed prior to the antichrist being revealed Scripture clearly teaches the church will be present on earth to witness the antichrist revealed, with a direct warning "Let No Man Deceive You By Any Means" 2 Thessalonians 2:3KJV 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

No such thing as a Pre-Trib rapture found in scripture, it's a teaching of John N. Darby 1830's and popularized around the western world by the 1909 C.I. Scofield reference bible, also "Dallas Theological Seminary" and its Alumni Notable Alumni Dallas Theological Seminary: Hal Lindsey, J. Vernon McGee, Chuck Swindoll, Tim LA Haye, David Jeremiah, Thomas Ice, Charles Ryrie, Zane Hodges, to mention a few

"You" a direct personal reference to the poster in response! Your response is sick and morbid in my opinion, my response to you ceases at this point! Jesus Is The Lord

Scripture clearly teaches the "Catching Up" takes place at the "Second Coming" of Jesus Christ in the clouds of heaven as 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 teaches below Scripture clearly teaches that this "Second Coming" takes place "Immediately After The Tribulation" as Matthew 24:29-30 teaches below Marv, There Is Only "One" Future Coming Of Jesus Christ In The Clouds Of Heaven Marv, The (Catching Up/Rapture) Is Post-Trib As Scripture Clearly Teaches Below Second Coming (Caught Up/Rapture) 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Matthew 24:29-30KJV 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Revelation 21:1KJV 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. (Sea/Waters) In Revelation Represents Multitudes Of People, Not Oceans Of Literal Water As You Claim The New Heaven And Earth Won't Have A "Sea" Or Multitudes Of People, Narrow Is The Way, Few Will Find Salvation And Go To The New Heaven And Earth "There Was No More Sea" Examples, Revelation Interpretation: The Whore Sits Upon Waters, "Multitudes Of People", Not Literal Water Revelation 17:15KJV 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. The Beast Will Rise Out Of The "Sea" meaning multitudes of people, not from the literal water, like the creature from the Black lagoon Revelation 13:1KJV 1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

The Scripture Below "Clearly Teaches", The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ Is "Post-Trib", Before The Forum's Eyes Matthew 24:29-30KJV 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

God's word clearly states it will be a new "Creation" Isaiah 65:17KJV 17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. Elements Shall Melt, They Shall Be Dissolved! 2 Peter 3:10-13KJV 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

The earth will abide forever, it's called a "New Earth" not Mars, Venus, The Moon, but "Earth" Revelation 21:1KJV 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Isaiah 19 below is a "Historical" event in history, not a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth as you claim Verse 21 below alone disproves your claim of a future event, the Egyptians perform sacrifice and oblation to the Lord, this event is Pre-Cross of Calvary and the shed blood of Jesus Christ, "it's that simple" "No" there isn't going to be future animal sacrifice and blood oblation blessed and accepted by God as many claim, in some future Millennial Kingdom on this earth, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man, through the spirit of antichrist in blasphemy to the shed blood upon Calvary Jesus Is The Lord Isaiah 19:19-21KJV 19 In that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the Lord. 20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the Lord because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them. 21 And the Lord shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the Lord in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the Lord, and perform it.

We Disagree, I Have Clearly Presented Scripture Proving A Post Trib "Catching Up" that takes place at the "Second Coming" The End You have been clearly shown Ezekiel chapters 40-46 is the 2nd Zerubabbel temple built in 536BC, where animal sacrifice for sin is seen instructed by God You have been clearly shown that Ezekiel chapters 47-48 is the (Eternal Kingdom) in the New Heaven & Earth where the river and tree of life are present You have been clearly shown below that Isaiah chapter 19 is "Historical" and not future as claimed, there won't be future animal sacrifice and blood oblation accepted by God Jesus Is The Lord